F430 2006 VS F430 2008

I would say that unless you are really going to hammer the car, you are now going to notice the difference in the brakes. It just depends on what you want to spend. I have not done it but im pretty sure swapping brake sets would be no big deal, just pricey.

 

A lot of 430s manage fine with standard brakes and a lot cheaper to maintain, you can always retrofit the CCMs at a later date but about £10k i think. I have them in an 08 and very good.
No idea about differences in gear you mention-any 430 you get will be a lot quicker than you expect anyway.
You would be better finding out its history, especially the manifolds condition and are they original or aftermarket.

 

I have CCM on my 2005. They were a 20k USD option. Cars with them do not fetch a premium, so if you want CCM then just wait..and get the car you want.

 

I had a choice of 2006, 2007 or 2008 at dealer at same time. I went for 2008, more money but not hugely. For me it mainly came down to history/condition, the earlier cars were both in poor overall condition, the fact that the 2008 had Carbon ceramic brakes and later updates, Daytona style seats, carbon bits and bobs and the best hifi the factory offered in a 430, was all a billy bonus.

Buy the 'best' you can afford and that is available at the time, which may not always be the newest.

 

Good question and answered on many previous threads. Check this link and scroll down to Terry's post which is the most comprehensive I've seen

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/360-430-sponsored-yellow-compass-group/316938-there-really-no-difference-between-06-08-besides-standard-ccb-2.html

 

I wanted Carbon Ceramic Brakes and was willing to pay a premium for them.

 

+1 They make a huge difference especially in track/spirited driving.

 

Pretty sure the header issues were corrected by 2008.


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Go for the 2008 - especially if its an F1.

 

Mine is an 08 and has mk 1 manifolds, besides which the mk2 manifolds are rubbish as well

 

I bought my 2005 because
1. Already had headers
2. CCM brakes
3. Daytona Seats...
4. Wasn't Red.... LOL...
5. Low Mileage
6. Price was right.

 

I would agree the decision should be based on the overall cars themselves, The MY factors into the equation simply in the fact the '08 is a 2-year newer car.

 

Yes and no. Of course the 08 is a newer car, but it has a host of modifications and upgrades that also make it a better car

 

Same here + all of the other benefits of the 08s and 09s.

 

Actually quite a few differences and improvements from the earlier models. Every year got enhancements.

 

Yeah, but precious little objective evidence of the significance of the updates. Or even manufacturer specs, for that matter. Did Ferrari spec higher engine output or faster F1 shift times, for example?

 

Lots of "factual" evidence actually. You need to be informed as a buyer.

Courtesy of: Terry H Philips (Tazandjan)

New engine crankcases at Engine Numbers (EN from now on) 89099, 116247, Assembly Number (AN from now on) 72472.
New heads, valve seats AN 71274, EN 99608.
New camshafts EN 97781.
New ignition coils (8 replacing 4L/4R) AN 67971.
New injector assembly AN 71274, EN 99608.
New injector cables AN 69639, 67971.
New Motronic ECUs AN 57596, 69678, 73460.
New fuel pump support cover AN 67395.
New intake manifolds, covers, gaskets AN 71274, EN 99608.
New exhaust manifolds and catalytic converters serial number (SN) 157672, AN 74457.
New exhaust pipe AN 64274.
New air/oil separator AN 65161.
New water and oil pump AN 58098.
New F1 hardware and F1 pump at ANs 61589, 69347.
New E-Diff pack AN 61702. F1 and 3 pedal clutch hoses, connectors, shields, gaskets, sensors SN 157672, AN 74557.
New 3 pedal clutch throw-out bearing AN 75200.
New 3 pedal gearbox control cables AN 58225.
New Digitek F1 interior F1 control panel and upholstery replacing Jaeger control panel SN 149225, AN 66454.
New ABS/ASR ECU AN 61537.
New F&R, steel and CCM brake calipers AN 68251.
New CCM rotors AN 64741.
New airbag steering wheel assembly AN 60178.
New starter motor bracket EN 97707.
New front compartment trim AN 74672.
New sun visors AN 67866.
New hood/bonnet AN 74571, hinges AN 74454, gas struts AN 74558.
New fuel lid actuator and back-up cable AN 65254.
New door frames and locks AN 74920.
New outside rearview mirror AN 74274.
Wiring harness changes ANs 61555, 68691, 69639, 71979.
Window ECU AN 70937.
F1 ECU/TCU changes non-USA, Gearbox Numbers 3270, 3629, 3781, SN 157672, AN 74557. Acceleration sensors SN 157672, AN 74557.
Stereo/GPS SN 146597.

I also believe new (stronger) MkII exhaust manifolds were fitted Fromm 2008 onwards

 

When I began my search for a 430 I was made aware of the significant differences through out the production, from 2005 to 2009. I was told by two Ferrari technicians and a few owners that have driven (and owned) 2005 to 2007 cars, and most (with one exception) felt the shifting was smoother and noticeably improved on the 2008/2009 cars, and was worth seeking out. While I would not discount considering an early car, my preference would be for a later one.

Alas, I ended up getting a 430 Scuderia.

 

I will say this...my 08 F430 definitely drives differently (in a good way) better than two '07 I drove (similar miles). It is a very small sample size (so YMMV) but I was told the same from various people about the driveability like f355spider was. I'm very glad I bought an '08. My .02

 

Most manufacturers update their vehicles from year to year but keep in mind that their ONLY objective is to make money. One of the best ways is to lower costs. Sometimes this results in a better, more reliable part and the resultant reduced warranty claims, but often times it is just a cheaper part, optimized to make it thru the warranty period. The takeaway here is that newer isn't always better.

 

Kevin, against the raft of firm evidence to support the 'later is better', in the case of the 430 your argument of 'not necesarilly' is in this case looking pretty weak... but nice try.

I still say it really comes down the the actual car itself, from what I've seen (uk cars) many seem to have been treated like crap.

 

In the case of the engine at least it was a harmonisation exercise: the 2008 is a low compression Scuderia engine i.e. Challenge/Scuderia cams, heads, valves, guides, inlet manifold, injectors, water pipes, and a few other things, so the road car actually got a better engine spec comprising better parts.

Looking at what changed between the years it is more a case of continual development rather than outright cost saving. The only two parts I am aware of that actually got worse are the air inlet ducts and the engine lid release handle - both went to a thinner, cheap plastic. The important parts related to engine/motor and gearbox/transmission were all genuine improvements - quite significant ones actually.

 

Thought this might help............
57596 2005 New Motonic ECUs
58098 New water and oil pump
58225 New 3 pedal gearbox control cables
60178 New airbag steering wheel assembly
89099 New engine crankcase
61537 New ABS/ASR ECU
61555 Wiring harness changes
61589 2006 New F1 hardware and F1 pump Black pump (upgraded)
61702 New E-Diff pack
64274 New exhaust pipe
64741 New CCM rotors
65161 New air/oil separator
65254 New fuel lid actuator and back-up cable
66454 149225 New Digitek F1 interior F1 control panel and upholstery replacing Jaeger control panel
67395 New fuel pump support cover
67866 New sun visors
67971 New injector cables
67971 New ignition coils (8 replacing 4L/4R)
68251 New F&R, steel and CCM brake calipers
68691 Wiring harness changes
69347 New F1 hardware and F1 pump
97707 New starter motor bracket
97781 New camshafts
69639 2007 New injector cables
69639 Wiring harness changes
69678 New Motonic ECUs
70937 Window ECU
71274 99608 New heads, valve seats Challenge (used in Scuderia) minus porting
71274 99608 New injector assembly Challenge (used in Scuderia) long tip injector to suit revised manifolds
71274 99608 New intake manifolds, covers, gaskets Challenge (used in Scuderia)
146597 New Stereo/GPS Later Becker Cascade
71979 Wiring harness changes
72472 New engine crankcase
73460 New Motonic ECUs
74274 "09/2007 >
(MY08)" New outside rearview mirror Slight shape change, and 'F430' moved to drivers side (UK)
74454 New hinges
74457 157672 New exhaust manifolds and catalytic converters serial number Mk2' manifolds
74557 157672 New F1 and 3 pedal clutch hoses, connectors, shields, gaskets, sensors
74557 157672 F1 ECU/TCU changes non-USA, Gearbox Numbers 3270, 3629, 3781 CFC301 TCU: 'Auto Easy Exit', additional clutch pres. sensor, wiring & Motronic changes.
74557 157672 New acceleration sensors
New ignition coils Scuderia/458 push-in type
Seat trim Central panel stitching detail change on regular seats (non Daytona)
74558 New gas struts for fornt and rear lids
74571 New hood/bonnet
74672 New front compartment trim Plastic trim covering luggage compartment reveal.
74920 New door frames and locks Removal of passenger door lock. Latch trim visibly different.
75200 New 3 pedal clutch throw-out bearing
116247 New engine crankcase

 

It is easier to read in my sheet: http://www.mwstewart.co.uk/misc/f430/F430 assembly changes.xlsx