With all this talk about conversions, I am now wondering whats a real car and a converted car. I saw this on ebay bit the window sticker says 6sp transaxle with F1. Does that mean this was an F1 gearbox or a true manual gearbox? Ferrari 575 Coupe | eBay
Interesting. I don't see the F1 listed as a charged option. But it does say with F1 shift. Does anyone know if the base price was different for F1 cars, or if F1 was a for charge option or a no cost option or what? Does anyone have a window sticker from an F1 and a gated 575 to compare? Edit: questions about how F1 appears on window sticker
Dom, it's converted. The window sticker says F1. Also - look at the steering column covers - it has cut outs for the paddles. I'm Not 100% on this but is that also not the gear display LED center of tach?
*if* its a conversion, its a very immoral ad imho. They go out of their way to say the stock exhaust has been replaced with a tubi. Ya know, because non original is important Yet, no mention of the switched transmission and associated interior changes.
Assembly number on one of the eBay pictures says 46378... How does that fit with VIN ZFFBV55AX20129439 ?
Perhaps someone has ability to look up assembly number and see if they correspond. Could be mistake, conversion, or worse...
Hi Jes, they don't. The assembly numbers are unique and nothing to do with VIN numbers. And, this car has been converted. Zero doubt. Look at my posts above.
$224xxx was the list price for an F1 575M around that serial number. 3 pedals were $214xxx. That assembly number matches up with 575Ms in the 1293xxx-1294xxx SN range. Window sticker says 575M F Maranello at top, F means F1. Three pedal stickers say 575M Maranello.
So it's clear that it's a conversion... this site is such an awesome wealth of knowledge! Aside from the aspirational buy it now price, it looks like a nice car with nice specs (including the conversion). Cheers! Ruben
Question I asked to the seller: "Who did the conversion on this 575M from F1 to 3 pedals and why do you not mention it is a conversion in your ad? Does she now have a 575M or a 550 transaxle?" Will document her in the 575 Technical Thread tomorrow.
The screw heads securing the gate to the transmission tunnel should be in the vertical and horizontal axes, not diagonal as on this car. I don't think the plate looks flush, either. The plate is also Euro, rather than US. All the gated US 575s I have seen have a gear diagram in place of the Cavallino, like this one. You can also see the correct screw head alignment. https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0815-219905/2003-ferrari-575m/ Doesn't prove the conversion wasn't a good job, but if they don't get what you can see right, I wouldn't trust what I can't see, myself.
The out-of-focus image below was taken from the RM Amelia Island car lot listing: - the 4,511 mile TdF over Cuoio example that sold for the record price of $462k. [Chassis no. ZFFBV55AX20127464]. 2002 Ferrari 575M Maranello | Amelia Island 2016 | RM Sotheby's That example clearly has the Cavallino on the gate, which I believe is the default position for alloy-balled manuals. The shift pattern is only moved down to the gate by necessity when it isn't featured on the ball, which is the case with the optional carbon-topped balls. Through the bokeh, we can just about see the screw heads in the 'x', rather than '+' positions, but that is nothing to be concerned about. The open gate plate sandwiches the leather trim and is screwed down onto the cast metal structure underneath and would be easily adjusted. The bigger issue is the evidence that the subject car was built as an F1 car and the F1-ectomy/conversion is undisclosed in the eBay listing at this point. It is not impossible that the current vendor is oblivious.... Perhaps the car comes with all the old F1 bits so that the conversion could be reversed, or sold on to help a factory manual owner complete the 'upgrade' ;-) P.S. It is a lovely looking car. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hmm, I would respectfully disagree that it's a lovely-looking car. In my searches for a gated 575, this would not have made the cut. Not to do with price; it just doesn't look right. Interested if Taz gets a satisfactory response about the conversion.
I was being charitable, while the mystery unravels, as I see nothing that offends me aesthetically other than the after market shields - which don't look too bad in these images, but which I would happily ditch. It purports to be a sub-20,000mile car and I cannot detect any obvious leather or sticky issues from these photos. What we know is that it has Daytonas, FHP-wannabe red callipers, the $8k carbon package and a leather rear shelf, so what's not to like, other than the fact that it has been fiddled with by persons as yet unknown?
Just not sure it looks that well screwed together again (gate plate, trim under steering wheel) but I will say no more in case we find out it was all done by an admired regular Fchatter!
Dave quickly spotted that the steering column shroud still appears to be the original (with cut-outs for the paddles) but one other visual clue that this one has been fiddled with is that the large carbon package would have included the carbon-topped gear knob (and the corresponding open gate with the H pattern on it). Regarding the digital gear shift indicator on the tacho, can you confirm that this remains functional on the manual version Darius?
If the gearshift knob has the pattern, the gate has a Cavallino. If the shift knob is CF with no pattern, the gate has the shift pattern. The CF shift knob is ~$1500, so easy to see why they did not include one. Here is the response: "GTO Engineering in LA did the conversion with 575 parts; all originals. I still have the original F1 parts though." No response to why they do not mention it is a conversion in the ad.
wbklink mentioned that he knew Eric Sanders was working on a conversion last month.... Eric Sanders joins GTO in Los Angeles | GTO Engineering
