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Planned Supersonic Bizjet - No windows - Screens

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  1. kylec

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    How much do bizjet pax look out the windows?
     
  2. Chupacabra

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    Will it fly? I doubt it, but I have been wrong before.
     
  3. davebdave

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    I doubt it could be certified without windows on or near the exits. How would you asses the situation in an evac? Even the Space Shuttle had a few cabin windows.
     
  4. Tcar

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    Read the article... there are small windows in the exit doors.
     
  5. Tcar

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    Bizjets? Very little use for windows, they think. People are either working or meeting or sleeping.


    On the other hand, they say this could not be done in a passeger airliner... they need to have real windows or there would be a claustrophobic upset.
     
  6. Jeff Kennedy

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    Someone with a dream that will find reality soon enough. Supersonic is still a ways off. No one has solved being able to fly over land at supersonic and it that happens it is just a bunch of research projects.

    As for the video screens instead of windows - UNMITIGATED CRAP. Makes some interesting renderings and a story that gets picked up by the general media that is having a slow news day.

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  7. Tcar

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    Why?
     
  8. davebdave

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    Sorry, I got distracted by the "Airplane" movie clip.
     
  9. KKSBA

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    Just as much as people on Commercial AC that want a window seat.

    It's more of a peripheral vision, spacial issue. No one wants to feel like they are in a hurtling aluminum tube without visual clues.
     
  10. KKSBA

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    No, that's really not how it is...

    Windows provide a sense of environment. It is soothing. Whether your in the clouds IMC or sailing along in the blue.
     
  11. KKSBA

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    If this is done properly, it will be the future of air travel. Nobody will have an actual window. If it can replicated perfectly through imaging and software creating the proper perspective.

    Windows are problematic for airframe design. They are weak points structurally, and expensive.

    If the view outside is visually equivalent to a direct view its a win-win in many many ways...

    The key will be latency. How quickly can the views outside be synced to your bodies motion clues. If it is perfect, you will be happy. If not, it will induce a sense of vertigo.
     
  12. Gatorrari

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    I prefer a window seat, since I want to know what's going on outside. On 3+3 airliners, though, I usually take a middle seat so that I don't have to get past 2 people if I need to use the facilities.

    Windows could be done away with completely on aircraft with seatback video screens. Views from cameras on the exterior of the aircraft pointing in several directions could be viewed by all passengers, diminishing the disadvantage of interior seats.

    (I always thought that airliners should have cameras aimed at the engines, landing gear and control surfaces, so that the flight crew could respond to warning signals with a visual look. I always wonder if that American DC-10 that lost an engine at O'Hare might have survived if the flight crew had seen visually that they had physically lost the engine and pylon, and that the leading edge slats on that wing had retracted.)
     
  13. Jeff Kennedy

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    People want to look out the window in whatever view they want instead of some camera position determined view. A video screen is going to feel claustrophobic and what is the likelihood of a screen the length of a cabin being fully functional without dropped pixels all of the time. Not even certain that manufacturing technology is sufficient to provide a 200-300 inch screen.

    But go back to the other portion of this pipe dream. The supersonic business jet. The Bass brothers have been support the Aerion for near 10 years now and still can't get anyone to take it to production. Gulfstream has been doing studies for at least 10 years as have Dassault. Until someone solves sonic boom over land there will be nothing by anyone.
     
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    I've been a passenger for about 40 years (which would be all my life now that I think about it.) I never had a desire to be a pilot for some reason. Recently, say in the last 4 years I have needed to see out of the plane. It's a pita because I'm a tall guy and now I'm in the worst seat! I get claustrophobic or something similar. So not that I get a vote, but if I had one put windows in!
     
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    That would only play on 4/1 flights. Might even create a waitlist :D
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  17. Bas

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    Put in individual borderless monitors. Each window passenger can control their camera angle so they can see where ever they like. 2 birds 1 stone.
     
  18. Jeff Kennedy

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    Will never be like looking out a window. No true 3D and who wants to wear some goggle to get that effect?

    How many cameras on the aircraft will be needed to allow people to see different things out the windows? How do you get the heat of the sun coming through the window.

    Doing the sides of the interior in screens will make the interior noisy. No soft surfaces to absorb noise.

    Emergency exits must have windows anyway to ensure that one can look out and make sure of what one will be entering into.

    Someone knew how to make some fancy renderings and attach some words that would ensure media coverage. No reality here for people that will actually use their own money. Might as well have been a student project.

    Jeff
     

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