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Enzo´s Ferrari´s

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  1. Boudewijn

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    Ed I think you mean #4031SA, renumbered from 3097SA?!
    Best
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  2. El Wayne

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    Ed, once again, thanks for your invaluable input.

    We've discussed this issue before here on the old F-Chat board. Interestingly, Boudewijn's response in this thread marked his F-Chat debut. Gerald Roush's comments shed a little light on the s/n confusion:

     
  3. vince308

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    I'll love to see pictures of MR. ENZO's cars.........pictures.....please...........
     
  4. Boudewijn

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  5. lukek

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    one of my fave pics
     
  6. shaughnessy

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    Rumor has it 2169GT 250GTE was used by enzo for a period of time,
    Paris Show car 1960. Looking for photos, naturally


    Tom Shaughnessy
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  7. El Wayne

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    Tom, so you believe that 2169GT was the Paris Show car and not 2043GT? Why's that?
    (further discussions here and here, by the way)
     
  8. shaughnessy

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    As per the Bill Preston GTE register 2 cars in 1960 were show cars
    then allegedly 2169GT was Enzo's car for a while. 2169Gt is the first production GTE
    Please not use of the English Language "ALLEGED"

    I bought the car from the Shook family, car was in Michigan, now enroute


    Tom Shaughnessy
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  9. GTE

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    It is remarkable that two cars claim to be 3097SA. Lets call them the Lusso and the 400 SA to make it transparant.

    Interestingly, allthough both cars are very different, they are both rumoured to have been in Enzo´s possesion during some time of his live. Early sixties.

    The Lusso´s claims to being owned by Enzo seem purely based upon rumours, where as the 400SA as certain documents to back the claim up.

    So, couldn´t it be that the Lusso was mistakingly viewed upon as 3097SA? I can imagine when someone heard about Enzo owning 400 SA #3097SA, then stumbles across a SA, looking like a Lusso, allegedly also owned by Enzo at some time, one merely assumes the Lusso is #3097SA and from then on, the story takes off.

    It still is curious that there is so little information and so many questionmarks about what Ferrari´s Enzo actually owned.

    Thanks again guys.
     
  10. kare

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    I have also seen 2 cars mentioned, but doubt that only one car (2043/GT) was being displayed. Have never seen any proof to back up claims of 2169/GT having been displayed and showing two cars would have made little sense in contrast to how few cars were around at the time.

    Will be very interesting to see some photos of 2169/GT!!!

    Best wishes, Kare
     
  11. Sempre_gilles

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    Slightly off-topic perhaps, but didn't Enzo also test drive an ASA?
     
  12. Edward 96GTS

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    1287GT (2+2) was most likely Enzo's first GT2+2. According to assembly sheets.
    Prototype SA motor(internal number 8), was later mounted in Enzo's 2+2 1287GT and then renumbered to 2257SA.
    2257SA(1287GT) was later used as a test mule.
    Motor in 1287GT was id as 1287SA and mounted in Enzo's 400SA 3097SA. This 400SA was later renumbered 4031SA.
    Info according to past owner(Jim Truitt) of Enzo's 400SA 4031SA.
     
  13. sjvalin

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    I think it was a prototype of what would become an ASA. The engine was 850cc and the press called it the Ferrarina. It had a machine gun logo as a badge. I believe Ferrari prototyped it and shopped around for a manufacturer. It was picked up by a customer, who formed ASA to build it.

    Something like that. I'm sure someone has more details. I'm relying on memories of something I read a while back.

    -steve
     
  14. GTE

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    I recently saw a pic of the Ferrarina. It doesn't look all that spectacular, but the machinegun-logo intrigues me. Who has some background on it?
     
  15. John Vardanian

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    Ed,

    Where did they fit the extra 10cm? It looks pretty proportional to me. Though the area behind the back window seems longer. May be lense distortion.

    john
     
  16. Birel

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    In my Hong Kong days at Italian Motors we imported this car from Italy, bought it through Adolfo Orsi in Modena, sold it to a HK Chinese collector. I can't remember if he ever collected it, we had it in store for ages. Eventually it got repossessed and I have know idea where it went. The colour was a very dark red, possibly rosso Rubino, with a black interior. The car was tired but sufficiently original to be acceptable. It probably went to USA, KPMG Peat-Marwick had something to do with the financing. Would be interesting to redicover this car !
     
  17. Ken

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    Correct. It was an ad for tires. The voice over said something along the lines of, "Every Ferrari shipped to (US?) comes with (Perelli?) tires. Why? Because Enzo Ferrai wants it that way." And he stands up with the sunglasses looking aloof.

    Ken
     
  18. Ed Niles

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    For the historians, the gent who owned the Miramar Hotel and the "Lusso" 400SA (and who claimed he bought it from Enzo) was Joe Massaglia.
     
  19. Hubert1

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  20. Rifledriver

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    Goodyear.

    "Every Ferrari Testarossa comes equipped with Goodyear tires. Why? (car drives up, Enzo gets out) Because Enzo wanted it that way".
     
  21. flaviaman

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    I was on a factory visit in 1981 or 82: they were much more casual in those days...while we were being escorted
    (by Goldoni if I recall correctly) we saw Sig. Ferrari being
    escorted into a stretched Fiat sedan. Even then Sig Ferrari looked rather feeble, his two "minders" holding on to each arm. I cannot imagine he had the strength to drive a TR in 1984 any distance, if at all.
     
  22. hhh

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    I find this a difficult thread with lots of speculation.

    Surely before Fiat stepped in he never really had to own a car personally, he just used whatever was available and he maybe kept a factory car for his own use over a longer period.

    And later, when Fiat stepped in, I see no reason why he suddenly had to buy cars. Of course there must be lots of owners who claim owning Enzo's personal car but without any proof.

    In the old days using/racing cars and then selling them as new with another number was not unusual!
     
  23. Maranello Guy

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    I have heard that Issigonis gave him a car but Enzo sent it back because it was..........RHD and asked for another one LHD !

    Once I've also found information that Enzo had 2 Minis...
     
  24. GTE

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    I agree that it is unlikely that Enzo had possession of his personal cars in the mere legal sense of the word, but even the cars that were used on a regular base by the man himself have great historic value added. At least to me.
     
  25. dsd

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    For the life of me I cannot remember where I read the story of Enzo being driven around in a Mondial 8 by Gilles Villeneuve.
     

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