So far we have (KEEP EM COMING!!!!): 308 GTS QV US/LHD 1983 (10th digit in VIN is D): 46307 #110 05/83 308 GTS QV US/LHD 1984 (10th digit in VIN is E): 49597 #2 01/84 50045 #105 01/84 51665 #268 05/84 51887 #287 05/84 308 GTS QV US/LHD 1985 (10th digit in VIN is F): 53697 #125 09/84 55551 #343 01/85 56441 #419 02/85 56585 #434 03/85 308 GTS QV EU/LHD (no model year specified for euro cars): 55127 #962 (maybe it does show total production of euro cars so far!!!) Others: 308 GTS QV xxxxx #56 07/84 (S/N please!!!) 308 GTB QV xxxxx #6 02/84 (S/N please!!!) Have you guys checked your engine numbers? Yet another way to put cars in an order. I think it is stamped on top right side of engine and can be a bit tricky to fish out (haven't checked on any QV but tried once to check a local 328 and had to give up as I did not have a mirror / piece of tin foil with me). PS. I think the door jamb plate may have been one of the very last parts put into a car thus showing time of completion.
this is a great post. i have been thinking about this thread a bit, and though my cars dont fall into this ( too old) its facinating nonetheless. please bear with me a momoment. i worked for Gulfstream building these $40mm jets on the assembly line. the first part of the aircraft built is the nose. that is where i started out at. now please bear in mind that aircraft are built to very exact FAA standards and General Dynamics / Gulfstream runs the production line with surgical cleanliness for safety and quality. my point is assembly lines are all the same in the way you must control the flow of product, monitor the rate of product and inspect for quality and allow for improvements. again an aircraft assembly line is a far cry from the ferrari lines of the 70-80's. however we frequently assign internal numbers to types of parts and assemblies without using the products "serial number" because the numbers are so close and the FAA regs are so strict. perhaps Ferrari used these types of numbers as a control reference for who built what and when. say jim and Jane build chasis groups 103-105 this week and they are accountable for quality issues and paperwork. Quality control can go to those and see who did that specific job on that part by that assembly number. the chasis VIN is too broad a number and passes through too many stations to be the only number used. as an example the aircraft serial number is a special number that you dont just throw around. quality control number and assembly numbers become usless one the part or assemblied get to a certain point. they are "bought off" as we say meaning they are to blueprint spec, and a safe quality product. ferrari must of had a way to track these assemblies as they passed along. say a part was on intergalactic backorder. the -114. -113 and -110 assemblies are for 3 different chasis number and will be delayed bieng installed. they are stamped with a control number to track where they go and paperwork follows them to ensure a quality control person makes sure the parts are completed properly and are both safe and to spec. ferrari must of had a way to keep track of all these different cars and many sub assemblies as they passed from one work station to the next. you cannot track one item by one number through all those different stops. there must be a "by off" check point where its done to a certain point. with the variation of say the 308 for example, GTB, GTS, LH VS RH drive, there must have been a system in use to control where the labor money was bieng spent and where the parts were going. otherwise you would have no clue how much it really cost you to sell your product, or where there are opportunities to streamline the process and save money. its all about the money folks, raw stuff in, a Ferrari road car out. x number of hours times y labor rate + z raw materials . and i am just a dumb airplane mechanic
please don't throw around terms like "quality control", or even "completed properly" Ferrari's of the 70's and even the 80's are built to lower levels of quality than most chainsaws, never mind airplanes, watches, sewing machines or the like. I did a factory tour in 91 and saw some scary stuff.... Quality control was done by 3 guys wearing different colour jackets. the first in a green jacket, drew a crayon circle around some damage. The second in a blue jacket would check all the circles and rub off any circles around the damage that wasn't that bad, and the third guy in a white jacket would tell the guy in the green jacket to stop being so fussy!! And that is so close to the truth that it's NOT funny. I also saw a guy drop A 512TR tappet shim under the bench. He bent down, picked it up. Looked around and thought no-one was watching. Well, I was. He then wiped it on his trousers and shoved it back in!!
It sounds like they didn't start over with every model year like the US spec cars. Makes sense if they didn't track them by model year.
Here's a good one: 308 GTS QV Apr 1983 46041 assembly # 78A Now we have letters. Side note: sombody hammered the **** out of the 8 on his car. It was hard to read and even the metal was pushed in. I don't know what to think about the A. This is a VERY early QV so that may play into it somehow.
1985 308 GTB QV # 56945 #31 under the flap March 85 build date. Never noticed that number under there!
I forgot about that post. He's right. I wonder why they dropped the letters? Also, what letters did they assign other countries?
Thanks for the reminder...I just sent them an updated pic so they would scrub the one with the BBS rims on it.
I used to wonder were #50043 or 47 is (mine is 50045) but those cars could be Boxers or Mondials. Now I want to find 308 assembly #'s 104 and 106. I am giong to be peeking under a lot of little flaps at Indy next week.
You do have an 85. It's hard to believe the 85 models were rolling off as early as June but I guess they were. Is your fuse panel cover in front of the passenger seat held on by two visible black capped fasteners or by thick plastic velcro-style things that are hidden?
I contacted them 3 years ago and sent all my info....never got on. I then e-mailed the guy about a year ago. He said he has been busy or something, but would ubdate the site right away to include my 308. Guess what...I guess he is still busy because after all these years, my 308 is still not listed. If anyone else has better luck, let me know. I don't have confidence that my car will get on any time soon.
P.S. The registry is for QVs only... I just e-mailed Wade again. I don't want to re-register my 308 if it will never be included on the registry. I even offered to help. I would input all the data if he gives me access. We should create a 308 registry to include ALL 308s. And when I say "we" I mean "you" ... whoever "you" are
Its the black capped fasteners, what told you that it was an 85? was it the letter? I have often wondered about the discrepency when looking at the manufacture date. Jerry
Well, I put a redux on my home page: http://koti.welho.com/kpietil4/308.htm. Will keep it there for some time and update if more numbers are reported.
