Open source virtual Fchat-designprocess: NEW DINO

Michiel
The design of that speedometer is horrible.

For the Pet technology info check :

http://www.bpf.co.uk/bpfindustry/plastics_materials_Polyesters_PET.cfm

 

Shades of Monty Python.

I feel the drivers were a bit too exposed to the elements.

 

Aha, the lesser-spotted Ferrari Invisi-rossa concept! ROFL!

 

the question I have for all of you is what is the focus of the "new dino" going to be?

the original 206GT had the ferrari dino race engine detuned for road use. the 246GT used a spec built iron block with reliable touring in mind.
even though they looked the same the focus of the two cars was, in my opinion, completely different.

how we view the Ferrari "dino" looking back, is not how it was viewed when it came to market.

for me a dino is a small displacement, high reving, take no prisoners high performance GT. The yardsticks have moved on a bit since 1966. The competition now has REAL performance. Imagine the next Lotus Elite; a larger, more powerful, comfortable touring version of the Elise.
I believe that's the performance level we should shoot for; small displacement, high strung, thourghbred--think of the SOUND.

I think we need a more "focused" motorcar.

here are some of the comparables I've found for powerplants.
check out the first link; unfortunately I can't cut and paste any of the photos. The first engine weighs 74KGS!

http://www.motopower.co.uk/

"More recently we’ve learned about another brace of engines both following the V8 principle. First up is the RST-V8 created by well known bike team Motopower run by Russell Savory and his unit was originally designed as far back as the mid-nineties and was destined for the Chris Craft’s Light Car Company stillborn Lightning, intended as a sister model to the Rocket. When this fizzled out the engine was put on the back burner until about two years ago. Since then Russell, Tony Hart (F1 engine builder Brian’s brother) and Titan Motorsport have been working on resurrecting it. The test unit is fitted to a Caterham SV, weighs just 74kg and is amazingly just 19in high, 19in wide and 19in long, while kicking out a conservative 340bhp and 190lb/ft torque. The RST-V8 is based on a pair of Yamaha YZF1000 EXUP units although the only original parts remaining are the cylinder heads although these are scheduled to be replaced by bespoke parts soon. The engine has a flat plane crank, which synchronises the firing pulses in opposing banks of cylinder banks, which aids balance. Price for this one starts at £17,625 inc VAT, although you can specify roller barrel throttles and other items if you desire. We’ll be testing this unit in the Caterham SV shortly, and look forward to it, but thus far the engine has done 12,000 hard driven miles in testing without mishap. Visit www.rst-v8.com

RST V8 from Russell Savory of Motopower

Our final monster bike engine comes from well known low volume manufacturer Radical Sportscars in association with their bike tuning arm Powertec and nicknamed ‘Christine’ the unit is officially known as the RPA V8 and although like four of the five units highlighted here is available to owners of all manner of kitcars and the unit was originally designed for Radical’s new SR8 model, for which there’s a race series beginning next season.

The RPA is based on two Suzuki GSX-R1300 Hayabusa engines although only really uses cylinder heads and barrels with most other major ancillaries coming from Powertec. The unit has a flat plane crank and is the narrowest angle ‘Vee’ of the lot meaning it will be ideal for small, light sportscars - like most kitcars in fact. Although heavier at 95kg than the RST-V8 or Cyclone Y40R it has thus far produced the most power. The 2.6 unit has developed 380bhp in dyno testing; with much more to come according to Radical’s Mick Hyde, plus it develops 207lb/ft at just 6000rpm, before topping out at 10,500rpm, just like the RST. Colleague Steve Bennett has seen the unit being benchtested at Radical’s Peterborough base and says it’s a fantastic unit, that looks good, is compact and has massive power delivered in a flat curve of bhp and grunt. The RPA will be mated to a six-speed transaxle designed especially for the engine by Quaife, which will also be suitable for front-engined installations. The company also have plans for a 3-litre version based on their well-known 1500cc bored Hayabusa units. The cost of the engines will start at around £18,800. More from www.radicalsportscars.com -

Radical Sportscars have created the 2.6-litre RPA V8

Things have moved on so far in the industry and the bike engine movement already responsible for a mass boost of interest in kitcars has spawned this completely two-headed sub-genre, where the explicit power produced by even the most humble Honda Fireblade engine pales into insignificance from this batch of engines. Sure they aren’t going to be volume sellers, and they’d be more than most of us could handle but for those that want that little bit extra at whatever cost, they will always be attractive."
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here's some info and a link to the second engine - they also do a lightweight gearbox: http://www.powertecracing.com/v8_index.php

for comparison the V12 in the Mclaren was 240KGS.


Powertec RPA 2.6 V8 - Specification

Engine
72° V8 cylinder, 32 valve quadcam
Steel flat-plane crankshaft
Twin counter-rotating balance shafts
Twin pump lubrication system
Four scavenge pump dry sump system
Rotary vane coolant pump
Pre-engage starter motor
Belt-driven 45amp alternator

Power: 360BHP
Maximum revs:
10,500rpm (2.6 Litre)
Bore: 81mm
Stroke:
63mm (2.6 Litre)
Compression ratio: 11.0:1

Dimensions
Length 546mm
Width 513mm
Height 440mm
Dry Weight: 92.6kg

Bellhousing/Clutch
Single plate dry clutch
Optional twin-plate dry clutch
Integral oil tank capacity: 9 litre
Integral rear engine mount
Engine-gearbox spacing: 126mm
Dry weight 13.7kg

Transaxle
Six-speed constant mesh
Sequential-shift; 1 forward, 5 back
Gear Ratios
1st 2.615
2nd 1.937
3rd 1.526
4th 1.285
5th 1.136
6th 1.043

Overall reduction ratio 3.400:1 to 5.670:1
Reverse gear ratio 3.000:1
Torque biased limited-slip differential
Integral oil cooling pump
Pressure fed lubrication system
Dry weight:36.3kg

Dimensions
Length 393mm
Width 300mm
Height 365mm
Dimensions From Mounting Face To Drive Shaft Centre 128mm
Dimensions From Front Of Engine To Drive Shaft Centre 800mm

 

An original Pininfarina Ferrari BB rendering
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Just for some creative ideas on a modern ferrari, eventhough the design is a little too elaborate :

http://www.dgfdesign.it/Design/Car%20design/Aurea/Ferrari_Aurea_1.htm

 

I liked the Aurea, but it is not the design for the Dino.

 

It beginning to look awesome!!
Only one thing annoys my eye everytime I look at it.... the two pointy edges in the front... dunno why
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One thing you must realize if this is going to be affordable, tooling must be aswell, many of your body panels are a single clamshell design such as the front, which adds cost. Alot may i add. Also if in a accident it will cost alot to replace. So that is another factor

 

By single clam shell design, did you mean that the hood, fenders are all combined into one piece like the 92-02 Dodge Vipers front end thus requiring a multipart mold ?
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Wow Michiel that looks stunning (without the pointed nose sections). I want one!!

On the point of clamshells - it will all depend on volumes. A number of cars have had clamshells atmuch lower price points, but sold in higher numbers (e.g. BMW Mini - sells around 200,000 per year, new Audi TT - production target 65,000 per year) however the Fiat Coupe of 1994 also had a clamshell and probably didn't sell in numbers that much higher than a new Dino could (I don't have any actual figures, but would guess the Fiat probably sold about 30,000 units per year and in the UK cost around £20,000 - probably under a third of the price a new Dino would cost)

 

Now that's really starting to look excellent Michiel, great shape and really nice details in those last few pics.

To my eye the space between the rear of the door and the front of the rear wheel arch seems very long and I think it would look better if it was shortened slighty - but that might not be possible I guess. Worth a look though maybe.

One other point on clamshell bonnets - I've owned a MINI and a Fiat Coupé and clamshells are COOL.

 

WOW That made a BIG difference Michiel!!! looks nicer and nicer!!!

 

Where can i buy one?

 

The refining process in action. Excellent work Michiel.

 

Hi Michiel, could you do the wheels in yellow? Also one of the IMHO beautiful desing clues of the Dino family (especially the 206 SP Dino) are the sharp creases in the fenders. Could you somehow incorporate those? The greenhouse of the Dino is very light with small pillars and a big windscreen. Keep up the good work!

Best, Peter