Not a complete nut and bolt. The interior was redone completely except for the gauges, new complete front to rear wiring harness, suspension was completely rebuilt, engine was removed, resealed, new clutch, and full engine bay clean-up and replacement of any parts that were in need. Fully stripped and repainted. he paid way to much money for this work to be done. And IMHO the work was poorly done. I have the engine out of it recently for another clutch. I found various nuts, bolts and washers missing, none correct hardware, poorly routed fuel lines (one of the plastic fuel lines was about to leak due to shafing on a sharp edge). I called up the customer and told him what I had found, and he was none to happy about it. This could be why this side of Lambo was shut down, because of poor workmanship, and lack of interest. M-Benz is a completly different set-up all together. When they do a car, they do it right and make a big deal out of it for you. A local fellow with a 300 Gullwing has sent his car for a full resto at the factory, and has been kept up to date everyday with progress. The car will be brand new with no corners cut. Simply an amazing service Benz in now providing. The cost is astronomical, but for a car like the 300 I think well worth it. it will be interesting to see how the cars turn out from the factory restoration shop. If they are anything like the way Benz does things, it will be a huge success. If it turns out that its another cash grab for ferrari, then it will fail. Good luck with it Matt, but I have a slight feeling in my stomach that the end result will be less then spectacular.
Matt, you are full of crap. Maybe there are times when you are not in a spasm of lie-telling, but this is just silly. Sure, sure, your lies aren't taking money from anyone, but they are playing people for fools. Perhaps people who were not on the old board have never seen you in action, but you tell tall tales and talk big talk. They don't remember all of your talk about the HUGE restoration you paid for on your 512BB. Oh wait, you never even owned a Boxer. You may think your Velostrada article bought you a lifetime of penitence, but unfortunately we remember when you cried wolf, and you seem to be slipping into the same rut again. But below are some of your previous restoration stories, which I've copied in screen snapshots to make it easy on our readers. This is not Dave speaking, but I assure you there are many others here who are sick of your fibbing and share these sentiments. I don't know what personal anxieties, social pains or self esteem deficiencies are causing you to try and puff yourself up to people -- people here would like you fine if you were a normal, straight-shooting IT guy in LA with a 1983 308. Please just stop. http://70.85.40.84/~ferrari/discus/messages/251280/178210.html http://70.85.40.84/~ferrari/discus/messages/256120/206563.html PS: For the readers at home, Matteo was formerly "Matt Lemus" and "The Don." PPS: YOUR 2002 NEW YEAR'S RESOLUTION (as seen in the bottom image) SHOULD HAVE BEEN: "STOP LYING ON FERRARICHAT." Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
The Jun 29 email about the survey is real enough -- although the survey just gave me a quick loop to the egress, since my 328 isn't 20 years old. From the email, "Classic Ferraris are a vital part of the company's historical patrimony. For this reason we have launched a new classic car department which aims not just to guarantee the conformity of the cars to the original, but also enable owners to obtain professional restoration services dirctly in-house here at the factory in Maranello." From the headers, the email does appear to originate from a Ferrari SpA owned domain. So far, all I see on the owner's site is the certification program where, for 1200-2500 euros, you can get a certificate of originality after having the car inspected at an approved center (presumably a dealer). Again, this is for road cars at least 20 years old, or any competition car. I don't see anything on the owner's site about factory restoration -- but I'm registered on the site with a US car less than 20 years old. If this were Mythbusters, I couldn't count this as "Busted" quite yet. Improbable, maybe. If they charge up to eur2500 just for a certificate, I'd imagine that factory restoration would be more aimed at 250 Lussos (perhaps trying to stem the tide of GTO "conversions"). I wouldn't think that factory restoration on a 308 would be "cost effective". I also have to wonder where contact information for "factory restoration" was located. I haven't seen any in either the email or on the owner's site. Given that this thread's origination was coincident with the email from the owner's site, I suspect there may be some daydreaming involved, or perhaps some confusion between "factory restoration" and the "certification" programs. Elementary, my dear Watson.
I have been a straight shooter about this and this is indeed something I am wanting and willing to do. Maybe you should take a wait a see attitude rather then get all up in arms.
why not? How many 308 owners pay $500 for the dealership to change the oil? I do. Should I post the reciept?
There is no confusion. I know the difference. I was going to get the work done anyway. Maybe I should have titled the thread, "waiting for a quote" rather then what I titled it.
I'd think they'd want to do a certification before supplying a quote, so you might wind up spending eur1200 (500 non refundable) before even getting to a restoration quote. Gathering detailed photos sounds more like the cert program. I'd think a eur500 tab would be coming up pretty quickly, as that's the starting fee. If you don't have a quote, or even shipping costs, I'd still put this in the "daydreaming" category. (Like the EFI conversion I've been tinkering on the computer with for the last couple of years. )
You have a disconnect with reality. Guys who do factory restorations use blank checkbooks. Expect an invoice north of $80,000. Not worth Ferrari's time to undertake full restore projects for 30-40k. It will cost you $8-10K alone for roundtrip shipping by container by boat. We're talking about preping body for paintwork, mechanical restoration, new interior trim....etc. The cost for parts will kill you, do you truly expect a discount on factory parts? Btw, the USD is quite weak against the euro these days. The factory will not quote you a price anyways, they may give you a neighborhood price but you will not see the real invoice until after the job is done. Paying $500 to change oil in a 308 is nothing to brag about, just shows more money then common sense. Oil filter cost $30 and sythetic oil $50, the rest goes into dealer's pocket. Guys with 275GTB may do factory restores, not 308 owners. The 308 is quite a simple car mechanically and there are many capable vendors who can do a quality restore in the USA.
Chris, Why speculate on the price? Wait for the quote. Simple enough? I have quotes from local shops that can do the work. I have a PM from a member that had a car restored in Sicily from a level lower then mine for $22k euro's and mine does not need that level of work. I have a budget for the work and I know what I can pay and I know what I am willing to pay. Wait and see what they say, ok?
If they're competitive with local shops, ask if the Alfa factory will have a similar program. Oh wait -- the current Alfa factory would want to convert it to FWD.
I find the idea of original certifcation appealing but not the price. I mean, it costs that much to look the car over and say, yep, it's original?
Well, for a real "classic", if eur2500 can make the difference between a 500K$ sale and a 2M$ sale, ... Certification on a 308 might or might not recoup an extra eur1200. Possible poll: Would you pay an extra $1500 ($1533.44) for a "certified original" 308 over an equivalent car without a cert? (Hint: MSCE, CSIE, etc.: people put a lot of faith in paper authorities these days.)
all things being equal, I'd find a certified car more appealing but can't say how much more..... I'd pay a couple of hundred or so to certifiy a car but not $1.5K.
Matt, I have read all posts regarding your restoration from the factory .I find it a little weird .im not posting to trash you or use previous post written by you to judge you in any way. I just find it a little weird though, I can to a certain point understand why you want it done but it would be nice to hear the truth as to why Hearing because I want to, because I can or because it will be certified by Ferrari in Italy to me is BS. If you were a car collector and wanted all your cars to be same as when purchased new, or plan to have it craned inside your new house as a display piece I would understand. Once you drive it, your certification will deteriorate as time goes by. Your doing this for one reason .bragging rights. Now if you would of said im doing it for bragging rights .I would of thought .Wow, the man has balls to admit it (thumbs up) and has tremendous cash lying around to get it done no matter what the cost (double thumbs up because it means you are extremely successful and have your wife in your pocket because you buy her enough crap that she doesnt care what you do with all your fortune). You seem to worry about the cost and have delusions that it will be a reasonable price to have this done. If I was working for Ferrari and received a demand for this, the cash register would be ringing louder than the local church bell. To have this done at Ferrari in Italy, you will pay serious money because of the name period. Now regardless of whether your having a 308, Testarossa or a 250GT restored is not what is truly important its a Ferrari and to me they are all equally valuable and all deserve to be pampered and be kept up ,restored and driven. You can have this done in over a dozen places that will probably do a much better job because their reputation depends on it. Ferrari no longer needs to build a reputation because they are the manufacturer. You will save tones of money, time, headaches and once the car is done, why cant you fly it to Italy and have it certified after all the work is done .same thing. No offence but if you have a budget and your waiting for an estimate you cant afford it and have not thought things through. ~ I dont sell cars, I sell engines. The cars I throw in for free since something has to hold the engine - Enzo Ferrari
Geez, Matt is taking alot of heavy hits here. I didn't know we had so many psychologists on Fchat! He just brought up an idea and when the estimate comes out- it will be interresting info for everyone!
I don't see anything wrong with having the factory do it. Regardless of the cost. I seem to remember hearing that 250 Lussos could be bought for less than $1k at one point. This car will only appreciate after the resto. More than the cost of the resto? No, not right away, but most cars should be restored for love not money.
This is by air including insurance which is a bit higher for a P 3/4 than a 308. That said I did have Jesse's 208 GTB Turbo totally restored in Sicily for about 22K euro and the job they did was incredible. That one is living over there and we bought it over there so it made sense. I too look forward to seeing their quote.
Matt, a friend of a friend of mine has one of the nicest 308s out there and spent around $80k on just the work to get it to the show level it is. This was from on of the top shops in the USA. It isn't Pebble quality, but it is close. And this was a very low mileage, solid car to begin with. I would be surprised if Ferrari quotes less.
Erik, Like I said. I have quotes from some local shops here in LA. FoBH, where the car is serviced. Fernando's, and Premier (the same shop that resprayed the front of the car a couple of years ago) IF the ferrari quote is within a few thousand dollars then I will have the factory do it. IF the quote comes back at $100,000 then it says here. When the quote comes, I will post it.
