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  1. 134282

    134282 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    #1 134282, Sep 8, 2006
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    I made a boo-boo...! I recently decided to lose some weight. Before I knew it, I was thirty pounds lighter (see picture below, taken by Jim Pernikoff, stolen from this thread - I'm the one in the white shirt on the far right)...!

    As it turns out, some of the weight I lost was muscle, because I didn't diet with any sort of conventional approach. I suppose there's no way to get it back, huh...? I feel great (aside from the fact that none of my clothes fit anymore). Aside from less muscle (and less fat!), am I okay...? I didn't do any real damage, right...?
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  2. MarkPDX

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  3. Dom

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    Hey Carbon,

    Congratulations on the weight loss!

    How did you do it? Calorie restriction?

    I doubt that you did any real damage, and if any, it was likely offset by the loss of weight.

    I would initiate a program of excercise, just because it will help in overall health. You don't have to do alot. Just 20 minutes 3 or 4 times a week will work wonders.

    I run, and usualy run 20 minutes 3 or 4 days a week, although usually one of those runs (Sun morning run) will be 30-40 minutes. That combined with a healthy diet, and you will be good to go.

    Dom
     
  4. amenasce

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    I dont understand the booboo ..You lost weight ( prob more fat than muscle ) now you just need to rebuild your muscles to what you want. I have been there when i was 17 , lost around 25 kgs in a year . You are starting from a clean paper , just eat proteines and hit the gym .

    Depending on how long you did this McCoy diet ( i did like you , my own ...ate much less and swam 3/4 days per week ) , the damages can be loss of hair maybe ? Thats what happened to me but then again we have a history in the family so im not sure my diet is the main reason ..
     
  5. 134282

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    Dom, I tried the exercise thing, but it didn't work out... I bought some shorts and a basketball and played for at least an hour or two every day... Until I fell down a hill (long, embarrassing, somewhat funny story). So then, while my body healed, I decided to try walking. My first day, I walked three miles. The next day, I walked four miles. The third day, I walked five miles. I continued with five miles on an almost-daily basis.

    After a few days of walking, I decided to quit smoking (which I later decided was a bad idea because winners never quit and quitters never win). In those four whole days that I went without a cigarette, I felt good.

    I stopped walking because it was depressing to hear how other forms of exercise would burn so many more calories (ie, swimming). Walking was boring and walking five miles took me over an hour to do.

    During all of this time, I had decided to completely stop eating chocolate, soda and junk food. I cut just stopped it all, cold turkey. I immediately dropped ten pounds - it was almost overnight. But after that, I couldn't lose anymore, even with walking five miles a day.

    So I resorted to the one thing I knew would melt the pounds off. I stopped eating. I drank glass after glass of water everyday so I wouldn't die or pass out or anything silly like that. For the first few days, I only ate granola bars - just a few - three to seven to ten, max, in a day.

    After a few days, I completely lost my appetite. It would take me an hour or more to eat one granola bar. My stomach violently expounged what little food I put into it. My pants became looser and looser. I bought a black leather belt a few months before I started this and it was a little too small for me - I could only wear it using the first hole. Now I'm the fourth hole in and could go to the fifth if I wanted to (but now my pants look ridiculous and so now I usually wear shirts that don't need to be tucked in).

    After about three weeks of about 500-1,000 calories a week (not per day, per week), and virtually no sugar and very few carbs, I lost about another ten pounds. It took a little over a month to lose another ten.

    I've since gone back to eating. I even enjoy a soda once in a while and have had chocolate more frequently in the last month or two (out of everything, I missed chocolate the most). My weight fluxuates from week to week, but things are basically the same. I've put any additional weight loss on hold - I can't afford a new wardrobe and know that if I continue, it needs to be done right, and coupled with exercise.

    Perhaps I'll go back to basketball.
     
  6. Dom

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    Wow, what a story. And I thought I was starving myself by trying to eat less than 2000 calories/day.

    Don't worry about how many calories you are burning with excercise. It takes alot of excercise to burn a significant amount of calories. IIRC, for the average guy, doing a moderate amount of excericse (running, swimming, playing basketball, sex), burns approximately 10 calories/minute. So, if you do 20 minutes of excercise/day, you are only burning around 200 calories. One hour of excercise is only 600 calories. If you think about it, a whopper Jr with cheese at BK is over 800 calories.

    The key to weight loss is simply not eating that much, as you've figured out. Again, going with the average guy, a total caloric intake of 2000 calories/day is what you need to survive. Less than that, you loose weight, more than that, you gain weight. Very simple.

    So, although excericse doesn't burn as many calories as we'd like, it has other benefits. Builds muscle, which helps you burn muscle even when you are not excercising, increases cardivascular fitness, look better, etc., etc.

    You don't have to do an hour a day, just 20 minutes will help. And if all you want to do is walk, that's fine. Maybe you will burn a little less calories, but as I explained earlier, the amount you burn really isn't that important.

    Dom
     
  7. Dom

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    P.S.- Wardrobe: One of the happiest days of my life was buying new pants, after loosing 40 lbs. My waist size was originally 36", but my new waist size is 30".

    Dom
     
  8. SRT Mike

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    Jeezus you must be small! I lost 100lbs a few years ago. I know people think "Oh you must have been huge!" but I wasn't that big. I am 6'3" with a very big frame. I was 310lbs and I got down to 210lbs. At 210lbs people started to tell me I should stop as I was getting really thin and any more and it would go from being good to being weird. At 210lbs I wear 36/34 or 38/34 pants (34 length). I know the only time I will ever fit in 30 waist pants is when I'm dead. Hell, I think if I dropped 50lbs and looked like a concentration camp victim I still dont know if I could ever fit 30 waist pants!

    NNO, losing weight that way... hmm...doctors will freak out but I've done it too. I also found a lot of sources online that stated that many people fast for a month or more as a cleansing routine. I've found that the first few days you feel like crap, then you start to feel really good! As a big guy I gain and lose weight fast. I normally use 7-10lbs a week when I diet, and I don't do fasting, just low carb or low calorie.
     
  9. 8 SNAKE

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    Carbon,

    How long has it been since you came off the 2000 cal/week diet plan?

    I've always been taught that temporary reduction in caloric intake leads to temporary weight loss. Lifestyle change is the key to maintaining a healthy body for the long run. Logic tells me that this makes sense, based on the info I have read and been given, but your results seem different. Obviously it's not healthy to eat 2,000 calories/week for a prolonged period of time, but it doesn't appear that your body is storing the excess calories (excess of 2,000 per week) that it's been used to getting.

    Curious to hear more about your experience.
     
  10. smg2

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    the real fight will be to keep it off. if you restrict your caloric intake too far the metobolic rate slows down assuming starvation. it will catabolize muscle tissue before fat to keep you alive. extreme case.

    going back to a normal caloric intake will cause the body to store fat to avoid further starvation. it's a cycle the metabolism goes thru. to loose and keep weight off requires a lifestyle change. you can keep it off if you slowly go up in calories and introduce some form of exercise. the body needs to be stimulated to keep the metoblic rate up. also the benifits are huge from areobic and anerobic exercise.

    restric calories to those needed to function a healthy body and no more. exercise to keep the metabolism up and you healthy. it's simple but very hard in todays faast food gimme now society we've created. when was the last time you had to work 12~14hrs hard labor just to eat? see the problem. the image hollywierd gives us is difficult to meet becouse we don't have all day to spend in the gym and the jobs that would give you the exercise benifit we need don't pay enough to keep our accepted lifestyle.
     
  11. jordanair45

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    No real damage, just start building up muslce by lifiting weights. Do you have any loose skin?
     
  12. El Wayne

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    Carby, I've lost 50+ pounds on the "virtually no calorie" diet on multiple occasions and this is what I have to say about that:

    1. Yes, it's true, you lose water, fat and muscle - two of which come back quickly once you resume a 2000+ calorie diet and sedentary lifestyle.

    2. In spite of drinking tons of water, I developed kidney stones - more than once. Ouch.

    3. It seems that my body (which is already genetically disposed to storing energy) took offense to each of my attempts to starve it and retaliated by slowing my metabolism enough to ensure that a) I gained back more than I had lost and b) the weight became successively more difficult to take off following each loss/regain episode.

    Even so, I'd like to congratulate you on the loss and offer this piece of advice from one who has long struggled with his own "fat-ass" status:

    Take this opportunity to permanently change your lifestyle - don't wait until it's too late again. Become one of those active individuals that somehow manages to spend every free moment in a gym or participating in other physical activities. Learn to love raw fruits and veggies, learn to lose your obsession with junk food and don't forget that you aren't one of them (genetically fit people). You will always be a recovering fat-ass who can't drop his guard lest his inherited predisposition for rotundness regain a foothold!

    Now, as one who has not been able to follow his own advice, I wish you luck!
     
  13. Chiaro_Slag

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    Congrats! And on an off topic note, I like the blue Elise. :)
     
  14. Dom

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    Words to live by. Well said Wayne. If everyone followed this advice, we would probably solve 80-90% of our health problems here in the US.

    I tried to lose my weight slowly (1-2 lbs/week), which is one of the reasons why I haven't gained it back. I've been at 145 lbs now since March 2006 (started at 185 lbs in August 2005).

    Life-style change is correct. Let your life-style be a healthy one. I love meat, but try to restrict my intake. More veggies, nuts, fish.

    Also, it is OK to splurge every once in a while, just as long as you go back to eating healthy afterwards. In June, I went on vacation to see my family in NY, and ate tons of pasta, pizza, Italian ices, bagels, etc for a week. But, as soon as I got back, I returned to my eating healthy and excercising habits. I gained a couple of pounds that week, but shed them very quickly when I got back. I also have days when I splurge for one reason or another (birthday celebration, anniversary, etc), but I make sure it is only that one day.

    Having lost the weight, I never want to go back to the old me.

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  15. 134282

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    Mike, there was never any "plan". I just did things as I went along. Some days I had a few hundred calories, some days I didn't have any. Everything was day by day.

    I haven't seen any weight gain since I went back to eating semi-regularly, just the same day to day/week to week fluxuation I had - only thirty pounds lighter.
     
  16. F1Ace

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    I don't like all of the starvation I'm reading on this thread.

    The key isn't eating no meats, eating less, etc, in fact the key is eating MORE!!!

    I bought this diet 2 years ago and it's practically the same as my friend, a fitness instructor, is on.

    You simply need to remember to have proteins with carbs. So if you have a chicken breast, have a potato or rice. Third member of the party is Vegetables, but not necessarily all of them will be right for you.

    Get it all here-->> https://www.mybodymakeover.com/default-secure.aspx?sid=2d9ae9328c5b4ccdbe30f4e1683b8b08

    Don't starve! Eat proteins!!! And eat OFTEN!!!

    Wes
     
  17. FarmerDave

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    Congrats on the weight loss Carb.

    I was at 196 a month ago. 5'11.5"

    I'm at 182 now. I didn't really change my eating habits, but I did completely stop drinking carbonated drinks, and started getting up 1.5 hrs earlier and working out 3-5 times a week and started playing hockey on Saturdays. I feel alot better too.

    I want to go to 175. I haven't been 175 in 5 years. That'll be sweet.
     
  18. F40

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    Congrats...

    I weighed 179 a few months ago, now I'm at 194!
     
  19. wax

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    Carby - the "Oops" was 2 things:

    Salt
    Fat

    - both regulate the body. Been there, done that. While eating plenty of food, I used a strict no salt/fat regimen. I ate "too healthy" & it almost killed me, 'cause one fine day, I couldn't eat... period. My body shut down. Ended up losing 36 pounds in 27 days - at the onset of the preventable illness, I weighed 163, ended at 127. When I went back to work, my coemployees thought I had AIDS.

    So, I'll give you the same advice my Doc gave me - Best thing to do is get a doublecheeseburger and fries - with salt.

    As for exercise - forget that running around crap - you know what a horse stance is? Do it and do it right.
    Get in the "up" part of a "pushup." Stay there - don't wuss out.
    Get your arms on the seat of a chair - extend legs on the floor. Stay there.

    I expect you to stay in each position until you absolutely, positively can't anymore.

    Same for laying on your back and popping those feet up together - no cheating. That'll take care of your abs and back more than you know.

    If you think that won't thicken muscles, burn fat and get the cardiovascular going, you're mistaken.

    Enjoy your cheeseburger!
     
  20. Dom

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    Hmmm, they really don't give you much detail, and expect you to cough up $120 for the program.

    Most of these programs are just a different way to eat less and excercise. Usually prepared meals are set up to provide a certain amount of calories. Sure, you may be eating more frequently, but your total daily or weekly caloric intake is less. Also seems to stresss excercise.

    If it works for you, that's great. But, you can do the same thing, essentially, for free. It's just a little harder to keep track of your calories, etc., rather than having them do it for you.

    Another good program to check out is the Hacker's Diet (it's free):

    http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/www/hackdietf.html

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  21. FarmerDave

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    LOL, As in, they'd have to work to be accurately described with the more conventional term co-worker? LOL
     
  22. wax

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    Bingo!

    You're one who "gets it."

    I did indeed hesitate to call some of those co-workers.

    There was one chump there who was foreman, somehow - oh, brother - talk about a brownnose. I'll never forget when he came up to my co-workers and I, who I actually hung out with on break, as opposed to co-employees whom I did not...

    anyhoo... brownnose walks up and says, "Your 10 minute break is over in 5 minutes." After we nonchalantly (in unison) told him to **** off, we became co-employees for the rest of the day. Just paced ourselves like there was a tomorrow.

    I do have a funny story about brownnose. Don't be afraid to ask.
     
  23. frefan

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    Congrats carby. Even though we really liked the old carby, the newer, thinner, lo-cal white carby is lookin smart. Just go back to black, please.
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  24. 8 SNAKE

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    Carb, how long have you been on a more normal eating schedule?

    I think it's awesome that the weight is staying off. Are you more conscious about your current eating habits, or are you eating the way that you did prior to your weight loss?
     
  25. F1Ace

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    Well I thought people could find the FAQ section themselves, but I guess I can do that too.....



    Q. How is the Makeover different from other diets?

    A. The 6 Week Body Makeover is not a diet. There are no special meals you have to buy, no drinks to mix, no pills with side effects. And you don't ever starve yourself!

    You eat real food... and lots of it. The key is: learning how your body reacts to food, then using the right combination of foods to speed up your individual metabolism. You essentially use food to burn fat!

    That means, once you do your Blueprint you can stop starving yourself. In fact you have to eat if you want it to work. This plan is about delicious, nutritious, real food: chicken, fish, steak, potatoes... Probably the same foods you eat every day.

    The key is that not everybody can eat exactly the same foods the same way and get the same results. Foods that make you gain weight may have no effect on somebody else. You need to understand how your metabolism reacts to food, what foods work for you to help you lose weight and what foods don't. You'll learn how to use that food to burn fat. And since you're eating good, healthy food that you can get at any grocery store or restaurant.

    If you've struggled with your weight before, then you've undoubtedly been on a diet... probably lots of them. When you go off the diet, the weight comes right back. If the diet had worked and the weight had stayed off, you wouldn't be reading this right now. This is not a diet. Once you understand how your body reacts to food and exercise you can make it look however you want. You are in control of your body.

    If you go on vacation and put on a couple of pounds you have the knowledge and the tools to take it right back off -- quickly and easily. Once you do your Blueprint and understand how your body works, you find that for the first time, you are in control!
     

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