Ferrari Classiche Program

Wow!

That would be TERRIBLE to lose your car based upon an older theft case, for sure!

But folks like Tom S. with his recent frame found under a Devin repro, it will be handy to get new bodies and stuff rebuilt.....

And if you break a block in one of the old racers, you are parked. Be interesting to see what other customers come in........

 

If the new owner was a legal buyer for value, he has some legal rights regarding the car. He needs to consult with an attorney where the car is now impounded.

 

There may be many more who just aren't willing to post their true opinion!

 

Chaa,

First, there is some misinformation in your post. The 250 SWB which Charles Brocket built was a pure counterfeit which he sold as the real car. This was settled in a lawsuit. Having dealt with the good Lord I have very few positive things to say about him.

At this point well over 200 cars have received Certificates of Authenticity. A relatively small number required work to be done to return these cars to their original specifications -- in at least two cases the Classiche Department had new engine blocks cast to original specifications. There have also been cars which have been denied Certificates, and at least one car withdrawn from the process.

There is significant information available on older Ferraris, both from Ferrari's records and from a group of experts outside Ferrari, some of whom are consultants to the department. While there were some difficulties in getting the process set up and in the early days, in my experience at this point the Certification process is working very well.

(And incidentally a stolen car is a stolen car, and may well be discovered in many ways, not just sending it to Ferrari. I know of two Ferraris in the U.S. which were bought in good faith and which turned out to be stolen. To really oversimplify, under U.S. law a thief cannot pass good title to a car. Both owners had real difficulties; in one case the owner had to purchase his car -- again -- from the insurance company.)

O.G.

 

tru dat.....a Corvette was recently discovered and then returned to it's original owner, after over 30 years, IIRC...Additional paint had been applied and remained in place......

"Well yea, we know it used to be blue and now it has 134,675 miles on it, but....here's the keys!" LOL!

Sometimes 'theft recovery' is bad news........

 

That would be more interesting to me, OG....so if you drive in and need an old obsolete block, they CAD/CAM it and cast using today's technology?

That would be pretty awesome but I think there are some small shops doing exactly that.....

Then we have the chance to recreate a Certified numbers matching car? With an asterisks, I suppose.....

That may be the thought that is suppressing conversation, chaa.....or else you started this on Friday and we are all home for the weekend!

*pool splashing*

 

I wonder how expensive it is to CAD/CAM a set of heads. I had this project I really wanted to do....

 

Chaa

Good question. I've asked that this thread be merged with the same one in Vintage.

Stolen cars are stolen cars and should be returned to their rightful owners.

Buyers should always check before buying and always buy from reputable sources with assets so if something turns out to be funky they have recourse.

This is the reason why legal identity is very important to establish esp. with older race cars and there are processes that if followed protect one and stolen vins #'s are listed with Interpol and the FBI.

I think Ferrari is doing the right thing. The per hour rates are reasonable and they are willing to re manufacture parts that no longer exist so cars can go on. There are some things that no longer exist. I own the only existing spare set of original P 3 heads that I know of and hopefully I'll never need to use them on 0854 but in case I might mine aren't for sale so if someone blows up a 412P head it's great that Ferrari will now re manufacture one for them. This is not new. When I wanted new uprights for 0846 Ferrari re cast them for me and this helped me rebuilt that car.

The people in charge are both helpful and fair.

Old race cars are what they are and that doesn't change.

Hope you're well and that your elbow is fine.

Best