What about the car i saw http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=136017851&postcount=6 ? That little plate was from Lambo . Who is right ?
That was the last Muira SV produced for the american market. Details: http://www.miurasv.com/5064/index.html Our most recent Muira for this customer: http://www.lamborghiniregistry.com/Miura/MiuraSV/4884.html We did not do the paint/body work except black out and fitting. Took first place at Concorso. I agree that the color combo is way over the top. But it was his car, he could do what he wanted to it. Most of the Muiras we have at the shop are getting extensive metal work that makes 'saving' it impossible. I guess we could just smooth out the rust and paint over it.
HEre are some pictures of the oldest surviving Miura. I think the first one was destroyed in an accident with a truck. regards kcv Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Let me get this straight. Kidston's black SV #5110 with the "last Miura built" plate is not the last Miura built? The white SV in Australia #4882 is the last one? I do understand that the lime green SV #5064 was the last US spec car, but since restored to euro specs.
Nice. what is the chassis #? don't like the body color continuing into the front compartment and inside the decklids. Never seen the fan switch sticking out of the side of the radiator either. The front lid runs very close- suprised it would survive. E
It appears that the oldest surviving Miura is 0862, 2nd built. The Marriott car 0706 (I think the one pictured above) is the 3rd built, also a preproduction car. The earliest surviving Miura's appear to be: 0862 (2nd built), 0706 (Marriott, 3rd built), , 0979 (Mandell, 5th built, last preproduction car), 1006 (6th built, in So. Cal, first production car), 1024 (8th built, 3rd production car), 1021 (in San Diego, 9th built, 4th production car). There may be others lurking in some garage or another. I'd be very interested if anyone has more information. See http://www.lamborghiniregistry.com for more. Alberto
correct and he bought it toegether with a new lp400 Countach for his poor son for what i know this is the very last build miura: http://www.lamborghiniregistry.com/Miura/MiuraSV/5110.html
1st built, 6th built, 11th built, 2nd built ... Whatever the case, the original brand called Lamborghini is gone as we knew it. The L car of today will only become even more of a perfect no-defects auto, that will borrow platforms and components from other lesser brands, (at least for now, aside from the top end flagship car) all for the sake of increasing corporate profits. Gone are the days of young turks working on, far out on the edge of the envelope designs, that were rushed into production with some unfinished flaws. These single purpose cars that had some flaws, were loaded with character and a personality. The L buyer of today who requires a multi-purpose mission (who will not tolerate subtle issues, such as putting up with poor visibility, low ride height, a manual transmission, a less than adequate A.C., power steering, flaws in the paint, and a cramped interior), is quite a bit different from the old L buyer (who will tolerate subtle issues, but just wanted the best performance car he could find with a single purpose mission). In reality, all of the marques today, only offer compromised cars.
Ralf, yep, you are right! But no company can build cars like they did in the 60ies and expect big sales! The market today expects are car that doesn`t overheat in the daily traffic jam around Tinseltown and the rest of this planet and with an a/c-system that works propperly to avoid the sweat of the valley girls inside! Also driving abilities in the future Kathrina-storms are highly requestes as GPS-systems to find Roy under his cars. All this also comes from homologation facts worldwide with complete product-insurance-coverage to avoid beeing bothered by this nice US-lawyers wo sued you for $$ 10 Million as one of their clients got a cold in the cars due - to the perfect a/c.! The future will bright & sunny.... Ciao! Walter
Big sales ! That is the problem. Small companies have been purchased by large corporations, and have lost their own distinct personalities. They are no longer small companies. It was never a goal of L, to find big sales in the 60's and 70's. Audi will bring L to a wide market, by stretching the cars ease of use, to a much wider market. The one's who suffer will be the serious enthusiasts. It is ashame that their are very few hard-core single purpose cars offered on the market today. The multiple cup holders need to be designed for the performance car.
Ralf, OK, but L. was seen in those years in constant financial trouble - even -or better!- because their limited production figures! And btw., the Gallardo is the same as the Uracco was: a car for the "beginners". But the Gallardo is a much better one. No car manufacturer is able to build cars like in those `ol days! They coudn`t survive today. Believe me, L. wouldn`t be existing today if Audi had not picked up the almost rotten fruit. Even Ferrari has nuttin`more to do with this legendary lonley panel-beaters who hold one cigarette in their mouth for 8 hours.The cars today are made by machines: with Hyundai as with Ferrari! The "problem" -when their is one today- is the computer! this bloody thing makes almost everything possible today (OK, it can`t hold the cigarette for 8 hours!!). Ciao! Walter
5064 was the first of 3 Miura SVs Ive totally restored, and the 2nd of 5 Miura SVs Ive owned in total. Both you and Walter are 100% correct. I should have kept the ORIGINAL livery. However, I purchased this car back in the days of $120k SVs, and I gave the restorer Carte Blanche to do whatever he thought was cool. Im older and wiser (!) and there is no doubt that with the cars being as valuable as they are today, its important their heritage be preserved. Thats why Ive just finished restoring chassis number 4884 in its exact original livery as it was delivered. In my defense, I should point out that Automobili Lamborghini itself committed a similar restoration 'Faux Pas' around the same period 5/6 years ago when it restored the very historical ex-Walter Wolf Miura SV 5092 in bright yellow, shunning its original (and fabulously period) gold "Oro Longchamps" color. However, Walter's claim that the only place that cars can be restored in an authentic and sympathetic way (and not over-restored) is in the UK and Italy, is just plain cobblers. We went to excruciating lengths not only to match the genuine original "Miura Rosso" (much more orange in hue than the cars are typically painted these days) even sourcing Carrozzeria Bertone's 1968 - 1973 color chart in the process. The coachbuilder (Advanced Auto Refinishing, not Bobileff in this instance) did a remarkable job of preserving the hand-built carrozzeria character of the bodywork. Needless to say, we won First Place In Class at Concorso amongst the Miuras. Even Pebble Beach emphasises authentic restorations these days, and beleive me there is amazing authentic restoration talent right here in the good old USA ;-) You can see the car and its history at http://www.lamborghiniregistry.com/Miura/MiuraSV/4884.html and I will post images when my photographer Les Bidrawan can spare a day to capture her in glorious Kodachrome. Joe Sackey California
5064 was the first of 3 Miura SVs Ive totally restored, and the 2nd of 5 Miura SVs Ive owned in total. Both you and Walter are 100% correct. I should have kept the ORIGINAL livery. However, I purchased this car back in the days of $120k SVs, and I gave the restorer Carte Blanche to do whatever he thought was cool. Im older and wiser (!) and there is no doubt that with the cars being as valuable as they are today, its important their heritage be preserved. Thats why Ive just finished restoring chassis number 4884 in its exact original livery as it was delivered. In my defense, I should point out that Automobili Lamborghini itself committed a similar restoration 'Faux Pas' around the same period 5/6 years ago when it restored the very historical ex-Walter Wolf Miura SV 5092 in bright yellow, shunning its original (and fabulously period) gold "Oro Longchamps" color. However, Walter's claim that the only place that cars can be restored in an authentic and sympathetic way (and not over-restored) is in the UK and Italy, is just plain cobblers. We went to excruciating lengths not only to match the genuine original "Miura Rosso" (much more orange in hue than the cars are typically painted these days) even sourcing Carrozzeria Bertone's 1968 - 1973 color chart in the process. The coachbuilder (Advanced Auto Refinishing, not Bobileff in this instance) did a remarkable job of preserving the hand-built carrozzeria character of the bodywork. Needless to say, we won First Place In Class at Concorso amongst the Miuras. Even Pebble Beach emphasises authentic restorations these days, and beleive me there is amazing authentic restoration talent right here in the good old USA ;-) You can see the car and its history at http://www.lamborghiniregistry.com/Miura/MiuraSV/4884.html and I will post images when my photographer Les Bidrawan can spare a day to capture her in glorious Kodachrome. Joe Sackey California
Just a clarification, SV 5110 was delivered January 15th 1973, and the Countach LP400 was not available till May 1974! Actually, Innocenti is said to have traded his black SV in for a new Countach in the summer of 1974 after owning it for a little over a year. Also, perhaps to clarify once-and-for-all the "Last Miura" situation, here are the last few cars taken directly from the factory's own production register, dated 1974 as compiled by works secretary Ingrid Pussich herself,and given directly to a Miura SV owner visiting Sant Agata in 1975: 5110 - January 15th 1973. 5092 - January 20th 1973. 5108 - April 19th 1973. 4826 - September 5th 1973. 4822 - October 12th 1973. 5110 came to be misidentified by Marchet for his 1982 book, and subsequent owners of the car (eagerly) went along with that. Circa 1991, the car was in California for accident repairs at Bill De Carr's "Body Shoppe" on Artesia Blvd in LA, and it was sporting a black colored (non-original) plaque in either French or German declaring a last status. This plaque has been changed in recent times to an aluminum one using the factory's logo, as evidenced by the car currently. It is a non-original item. Ferruccio's signature on the dash is simply a matter of the fact that he frequently signed the dash of cars that attended ILOC events, such as the ex-Wolf Countachs etc. 5110's then-owner Max Bobnar was a founding member of ILOC, and Ferruccio is pictured signing it (as he did other cars) at an ILOC event. The signature on the dash has nothing to do with underscoring the car's production status. Who really cares about first or last Miuras? For the most part, I suspect most enthusiasts dont. However, when the facts start to get distorted and mis-represented, lots of us do...;-) Joe Sackey California
Joe, maybe I made a confusing comment! As I saw during the last years many Italian cars from the 50ies, with chromed or polished Tinseltown-look- wheels in the hands of American owners, I can only say Ah-Bah to them. This cars are d-e-a-d!!! The situation with later cars -as the Miura, Daytona, Ghibli etc.- the situation might be different. But also this cars from the late 60ies/early or mid-70ies represent an important part of automotive history. To keep the touch of the Factory -the aura!- with those cars gets more and more important. A lovely patina, that tells the story of their previous owners, is at least THE point that attracts all of us next to the car itself! A perfectly restored Miura that lost its original color and perhaps changed to a color of 90ies+ taste is TMO only - another "dead" Miura! More and more US-collectors are realizing this now and take their cars to Italy or the UK (the later mostly for competition cars!). Call me conservative - but ol`things keep their aura by beeing old! Ciao! Walter
I agree with you, and it seems that this particular trend is coming from the USA, this is probably the most recently butchered example : www.autosportdesigns.com/Sales/Salesphotos.aspx?ID=1243
I have to agree with Walter (and yourself), nothing beats an original car with lovely patina. Your points are well taken Walter. But remember, some Miuras HAVE to be restored, so if one is forced to restore, stick with the car's original livery. Thats what Ive done this time. Europeans in general (some exceptions of course) will always argue that the best authentic restorations are available in Europe and Americans in general (some exceptions of course) will always argue that the best authentic restorations are available right here. By the way, I beseeched the restorer of 4968 to restore it to its original livery, but the silver is what the new owner wanted. Shame though it is, it didnt stop someone paying a world record $725kl for it...;-) Joe Sackey California
This tred is quite old. I saw once a Duesenberg in Pebble, a really impressive car from the 30ies! It was a shame: it looked like putting tons of flashy make-up on ol`granny! Tasteless, no respect for craftmanship from the 30ies, and transported by stupit owners: Trailer Queens! SAme happened with many Ferraris. Know a guy who had a fantastic Alloy SWB in bad condition. He restored it and the result was great: they kept the patina and the car really hugged everybody. Then the owner shortly after was faced by financiel troubles. He had to sell. New owner was in the US. At that stage the resto was 4 months old. The stupid US-chap decided to restored the car on the spot. Saw the car one year later in Pebble. The car was f*****g dead!! I asked the now-owner why he did that. His answer made me furious: "I wanted to show all people that I have the cash to get the best SWB on earth!" No further comments! Ciao! Walter
