Open source virtual Fchat-designprocess: NEW DINO

Just a question, weighing in on this one a bit late.

Part of the appeal of the Dino is that it is tiny, if these are based on a 430 platform surely much of it's appeal would be lost?

I recently saw the Alfa spyder concept at Goodwood, and that was a beautiful car but far too large, it could have been truely beautiful at 2/3rds the size.

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Yep that would be perfect, maybe slightly longer and room for 6ft+ drivers please!

The Exige and Europa are nice cars the former is too overstyled and the europa well just bland. The concepts on here are FAR nicer than any of those designs!!

 

Maybe for the year 2010.....another doodle...
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Just to offer a thought, in reality the F430 is the current Dino.

The Dino evolved into the 308 series, then to 348-355-360 and so on.
So the legacy of the F430 can be traced to the Dino. As well many design elements of the F430 are reflections of the standard set by the Dino. (proportion, greenhouse, side intakes...)

As such, the F430 is the relatively small and lightweight mid engined coupe for Ferrari.

What does this have to do with this design exercise or the price of tea in China? maybe nothing, it only serves to show the F430 chassis as a worthy and proper base for a Dino influenced style exercise.

A Lotus Elise chassis maybe a lighter, more adaptable, and better suited base, but it isnt Italian and the spirit may be lost.

just some thoughts

Eric

 

just in case we need an Exige illustration for the chassis dimensions.........
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I have a bit of time currently, ill put together a chassis base for use here.
Cheers,
Eric

 

Eric,
Great idea, but are you going to place the engine transversely or longitudinallly? Alfa V6 or ferrari V8?

will wait for your chassis design for my new sketches....

 

well as of yet, i've been totally worthless on my modelling... and i just don't seem to have anytime. hopefully i can come up with something before too much longer... but i'm afraid that for the immediate future, i will have to just sit backand watch you guys have fun

 

a little wild rough sketch......
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I had some work to do this weekend on Catia, so I spent some time to start a chassis from scratch for you guys. It is similar in concept to the Elise chassis, using aluminum extrusions.

Im starting with the general outline listed below. Nothing is set in stone.
2600 mm wheelbase (102.4")
F/R track will start at the same 1574.8mm, (62")

I am open to suggestions and input for the package.

As for engines and packaging, it is too early. I am not in charge of engine choice. I will simply make the chassis adaptable to a desired powertrain. The chassis will use an extrusion design of my own. Is the chassis realistic? Maybe. Its al just for fun until somebody comes up with a budget.

Images of the design are coming. I include 1 as a teaser.

cheers
Eric
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I think this would be the best way to go,the Elise and the heavier Renault spider had a simple and clever alluminium chassis, proven to be easily manufacturable, and could be modified in a transverse or longitudinal engine arrangement if needed.

Would the chassis be bonded or welded? and by the way , nice teaser...

Italo

 

Maybe for inspiration...

http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-Ferrari-Aurea-DGF-Design.htm

 

Okay, basic architecture is set.

For this exercise, we will assume that there is a new company - and the chassis is a clean sheet. The Dino designs could be done on an existing ferrari ala P4/5. But I cant show Ferrari data here on the web. So we start with a new design.So I hope this adds to the education and fun here.

The frame structure is made up of 2 sizes of extruded aluminum rail. Welded and/or bonded together. Aluminum paneling will enclose the cockpit. This type of design is currently in use with several exotics, including Ferrari.
No roof/rollover structure is present as the roofline and greenhouse is undefined. We are working up to that.
Engine bay shows fuel cells in dk green. Location is good, details are not set.
Engine represented is similar in dimension to the current Ferrari V8, as is the transaxle. Both shown longitudinal at the moment. (wheelbase is dictated by powertrain, so a decision is needed)
Engine bay structure and cross bracing is incomplete as powertrain is undecided.
Cockpit detail and additional bracketry and cowl area structure is TBD.
Suspension subframes are a cast aluminum part. Rear is still undefined.
Pedal box and steering column support are cast items.
Wheels are representitive, the design is just something I did that is along the lines of current design. Wheels are 19x7.5 front, 19x9.5 rear.
Tires shown are 215/265 section.
The bottom of chassis will recieve flat/aerodynamically tuned panels, not yet shown.
Bumper and other crash structure is not yet added. No door opening/shutface panelling is present as doors are TBD.

Ive never donr this type of thing for free before. But this imaginary project is good fun so far, so I will add what I can.

See the attached zips for more images and a basic 2 view layout that you can use to design with.

Cheers
Eric
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Eric,

Excellent stuff and thanks for doing this free for us , as you know we are all doing it for fun, and your engineering help is what we needed to move forward this experimental project.

I hope this will help everyone in creating new Dino designs.
Looking forward to your critique on the new sketches based on your images.
Cheers mate

Ciao
Italo

 

Original sketch rendering of the Dino by Aldo Brovarone, the real designer of the Dino!!!
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another rendering by Brovarone....
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Brovarone and the Pininfarina design studio in the 50's!!!! and look at all those sketches on the wall!!!
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Brovarone today....retired but still having fun with Stola....
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First very rough side view sketch, based on Velocityengineer's CAD image....
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Hi Michael,
Modularity is very possible, and the current design is modular. However, I am revising the rear structure currently, as the modularity I have built into this design is in the ability to change the wheelbase by re-locating the suspension mount castings. Also the adaptability of the roof structure will allow for open/closed top and roofline designs. i have left the door opening as long as possible to accomodate many different door opening designs.

Corner castings would have to be very strong and a bit heavy i think. let me look into it. i prefer to change wheel location as opposed to entire front and rear clips.

I will change the engine to a V6, and leave it in a long. position for now. As for extending the passenger compartment, pushing the engine back shifts weight to the rear and the vehicle balance will be comprimised. Ferrari has made great strides forward since the 308 in centralizing the mass of the engine. In vehicle dynamics terms, we would like to have the engine as far forward as possible. (yes-i know about the 911-996-997! but it has taken them decades to perfect that- a story in itself).The passenger cell is very similar to a current F430 in size. I will put the 2 view on a scaled grid soon.

Fouriserie, I like the sketches, however i feel that the center of the car is a bit thick. It seems that the wheel arches should be emphasized and the center area slimmed like a waistline in a sensual design such as the Dino. But that is classic thinking. The design you presented has a Lancia Stratos feel to it for me, a bit of a high tech street fighter. my opionion is that some of your early sketches had a more relaxed flow to the shape. I do like the front end very much.

Cheers e sinceremente
Eric