Alonso slams Schumacher

Of course F1 is huge business and I don't doubt for a second that what FA is saying has been carefully crafted to get more people riled up and interested in watching the final races. After Flavio's outburst, anything else would be wordsmith'd by the team's PR people. IOW's I bet FA was told to say this. It's all about racing and making money

 

Luis,
I am sorry, I did get a little heavy in the last post, we have agreed on topics in the past and I am sure we will in the future, but on this one we are having a problem. For the most part, I have stayed out of this topic, wherever it has come up, but I am starting to get a tired of a few people repeatedly misapplying and misinterpeting the rule as stated succinctly and concisely by the FIA and the free dictionary has nothing to do with the FIA, so don't waste your time there.

As I said in the last post...
Look at the time that Alonso posted for his Q3 hot lap (1:25.688) and Look at the time that Massa put up for his in that session(1:21.704).

Massa's Q3 hot lap was IIRC over a halfsecond slower than the previous hot lap sessions. That's impeding!

FA was not on a hot lap, so you are saying that he has the right to be in Massa's way, so that he can excercise his right to get in HIS hot lap.

Alonso could have easily gotten out of Massa's way and still gotten his hot lap in. Without impeding and without the penalty.

Soooo, now you are saying that the FIA stewards just made all of this up???

There have been penalties for this before, the stewards didn't make it up, the stewards do not set the rules, they do try to enforce them.

Whether you believe that MS parked his car at Monaco intentionally or unintentionally, the rule was written for that situation and this one also. Intent is not the deciding factor, it is interference with someone's hot Q lap. In that you have answered one of your own questions, about when has it been enforced before.

Cheers,
I'm going back to working on my 365, have a good evening.

-Bill

 

sunami!
did MS give £600.000.000 of his own money?

How un- sportly of him !!!!!!!!!!!

Alonso needs to learn from MS not slag him off,

as for MS knocking DH off the top spot, we have all seen what happens when you do the gentlemanly thing ! messers DC and Sabatical man who never came back!
After you, no after you Sir! Remember?

Ms is a racer out and out!
JMHO

 

$10 million (US) to tsunami victims alone, plus millions to other charities.

 

Quite right, thanks for being the voice of reason on this. I generally like Alonso and these comments seem somewhat out of character for him, so I suspect you are exactly right. It's not as if he issed a press release blasting off of Schumacher.

 

IMO both Michael (at Monaco) and Fernando (at Monza) had to be penalized. Even if neither situation was intentional, they would have set a precedent. In the case of Michael it is obvious. Were he not penalized it could happen more often. By penalizing him it made it clear that it can't be done. His penalty is easier to take because, even if you believe his story, you can resign to the fact that he made a mistake and paid the price.

In Fernando's case, it is a bit tougher to take as his predicament was not caused by him. It was his tire failure. However, he had to be penalized. It would not seem he had bad intentions, but he was on an out lap and there was a car directly behind him on a hot lap. He had to let it by. What would happen if he were not penalized? What about the next race? What if a team went out and got a real quick lap then came in and sent their car out in front of another team? Who decides how fast the out lap has to be before it does not impede the other car? The only way to handle it is to say all out laps are the same regardless of your intentions.

 

In fairness to FA, if he would have allowed Massa to pass, he would not have been able to start his final hot lap in time. He only had a couple of seconds to spare as it was.

 

If Ferrari signed Fernando Alonso to replace MS instead of Kimi, all of you sycophants would be singing his praises right now instead of complaining how much you dislike the guy. Don't kid yourselves...or the rest of us.

 

thats life. face it.

 

Hi Mike,
Yes, If Alonso had slowed on a straight and moved aside, there would not have been a penalty.

FIA Rule #116) If, in the opinion of the stewards, a driver deliberately stops on the circuit or impedes another driver IN ANY WAY during the qualifying practice session his times will be cancelled.

And yes, the man on the out lap or warm up lap, is required to give way to the drivers on hot laps, that is the rule. There is no exception made for how late in the session it is.

It is quite simple, I do not understand why so many find it difficult to understand. As I stated before, even Briatore and Alonso recognize and publicly admit, that he was in the way, they merely deny intent.

Regards,
Bill

 

Schumacher was taken away all his times and put to the back of the grid in Monaco, Alonso only his best three times. How do the FIA rules work? Is there a site with these rules?

 

whoops sorry I meant £6,000,000

 

No, that's "I am a blind sycophant who is incapable of making an objective analysis on my own and therefore I default to unquestioning fealty".

 

Hello Peter,
I can only imagine, that the stewards took away all of MS's times, because they felt that he had intentionally stopped on the track and that they gave Alonso the benefit of the doubt, in regards to intent.

FIA Rules & Regulations Sporting Regulations
2006 season changes
http://www.formula1.com/insight/rulesandregs/13/995.html

The rules enforcement will always be a "grey area" with the FIA, they always, "will do as they d*mn well please."

Regards,
Bill

 

Sorry Rick,
To pull off line for say .5 sec or less, would not have jeopardized his final hot lap, if that is what you want to call it in his case (a sizzling 1:25.688). If he was to rely on that lap time, it was good enough to line him up in 21st position between Sato and Yanamoto. The filling in a Super-Aguri sandwich.

Not matter what the circumstances, weather, track conditions, flat tire, preference to go out late in the session, it's all part of the game. If the clock runs out, the session is over.

Regards,
Bill

 

You got that right, you psychopant you! No, no wrong word. Psychopant is the word used to describe really colorful shorts. I think I meant sycophant, which is the word to describe a mentally ill elephant.

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Example of psychopants:
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Come on Twk,
I, for one and there are plenty of others here, that have never made any negative comments about his driving talent. I might have made comments about his, inability to control himself emotionally on and off the track, his more than occasional whining (I do not care for publicly airing dirty laundry) and his sophmoric self promotion, from someone that is paid as well as he is, to do something that he loves to do. I would have a great deal more personal respect for him, if he would do more racing with his car and less with his mouth!! I do not think that Ferrari, or a number of other teams, would put up with his press "releases." A bit of anger management or meditation, might serve him well in his future.

Regards,
Bill

 

ROTFLMAO
The Sycophant, In one's Psychopants?

 

Bill,
It's ok, people get heated, i still respect you...
The problem I have with the whole thing is this whole impeding wording. The FIA needs to clarify the whole thing. In open qualy, people's laps are gonna get screwed up, that just part of the game. there is no way that having a car in front of you that is not within a couple of feet of you should get a penalty. This is the nature of an open session. Alonso may not have been on a Q lap but he had to make it to the line before the session was over. It's not like he was driving slowly in front of Massa. If he let Massa by he might not have made it. As it was he only made it by two seconds. Intentional impeding is the spirit of the rule. It has never been enforced for a situation such as this before and i'm sure it has happened this season but no one said anything. But because it's Alonso he gets a penalty. Reverse the situation, make it MS and GF and you'd be screaming bloody murder. The whole situation has been treated clumsily and made the FIA to look biased to many people.

 

After receiving numerous PM's asking what in the world is a Sycophant, I did some research.

Sycophant: (noun) mentally ill elephant; (adjective) without independence. So I guess if you are a mentally ill elephant, you are without independence?

I found that there is an elephant sanctuary in Hoenwald, Tenneessee, for sycophants:
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I wasn't referring to you, Bill. I think your posts have been well written and insightful.

There are others here, however, he see things only in terms of black and white...or red, as the case may be. You only have too look back at posts written two years ago to see how opinions have changed depending on a driver's relationship with Ferrari. If he is linked to, or driving for, the team, he is a deity. If he isn't, then he is the biggest arsehole in F1. And lord help the driver who actually competes with MS, just look at the venom directed at JPM in the recent past or Alonso right now.

I happen to like Alonso but I am no fan of Renault. I have always loved Ferrari but I don't much care for MS. I am no apologist for Renault simply because Alonso drives for them nor will I be an apologist for McLaren next season. Nor will I ignore MS's shortcomings as a driver and competitor simply because he drives for the Scuderia. Others here, and not just Imperial83, do not hold these same principles and I find that distasteful.

I want to see good, clean, exciting competition, regardless of driver or team. I am not about to denigrate a driver on a personal level simply because he competes for a different team and I am not about to canonize a driver simply because he drives for the team I support. I will base my opinions of all the competitors in objective terms. If my driver cheats, I will chastize him for it, not apologize or turn a blind eye. I apply the same standard of expectation to all the competitors. It is too bad that a lot of other participants on this board do not feel the same way.

 

In regards to FA mouth, I agree he is prety stupid, he should have shutup and think calm what to answer.

However in his defense there is a fundamental difference between what MS did and Monaco and this. MS move in Monaco was clearly intentional to most observers eyes, while FA incident at Monza was clearly unintentional and even posibly wrong decission from the stewards.

Even if Massa lost downforce due to FA running ahead in that cornner the Stewards should had in consideration what FA could know about Massa position at that moment. Massa about 100 yards from FA, so think did FA even see Massa car on his mirrors at that point, probably not, and if he did he probably though Massa was far enough that he was safe keeping that trayectory.

If the stewards are concerned about other pilots inpeding hot laps they should use the flags to warn them as they do on the race.

Even in race conditions we saw how laped cars waited even to closer distances before leaving pass to front runners without being penalised in the very same circustances, even when there were blue flags to warn them. That seems to me a double way to measure the same issue by the stewards.

- Julio.

 

Tifosi.

 

Disappoint to Alonso... Many ego in his mind.... In my opinion , his mind is same as a kid mind... And in last season , he couldn't get championship title if Renault car and team is not perfect...

Don't be more ego . kid!!! ,your life in racing just begin...