Today I was given my sentence for 115 in a 55 on a suspended license

115 in a 55 mile zone is nothing short of irresponsible. I can't belive that anyone would support this type of behavior.

 

Wait. you went to jail for speeding and he's the dumb bastard?

you went to JAIL for endangering those around you and he's the JACKASS?

OK, let's review. You "WENT TO JAIL for speeding", but he's the jackass.

Uh, yeah.

 

In that 3 day period that you were jailed, what did you gain out of it? Nothing, nothing but some bad memories, which will soon fade. What did society gain out of it? Nothing, but an added expense to the tax payers of that county. How I see it, in that 3 day period they could have made you work with some inner city kids at a community center and teach them what you know about stats and data and other aspects of your career. That way, society will gain. If one of a group of kids turns out to be a possitive figure, then it was a win/win situation. The next congressman or ceo of a company might have gotten their spark at that point. This country needs to evaluate it's laws and punishments for their violations.

 

you are the worst driver i've ever witnessed...140 in a 55 zone...do you feel a big boy now...pffffffff...sucker is the best I can think of...I hope you get jailed soon, for a long time prefferable...so our streets wil be a little safer...

 

Suspect next time we hear from you would be on the evening news.

Art- love to hear your spin on how 140 is safer than 55...yes....focus on the force >>Luke

 

What I'm seeing in the last few posts are a generation who are content to let Big Brother set the rules, but since Big Brother doesn't tell them to be polite, they trash-mouth each other without hesitation.

Leaving government the task of maintaining civilization is being taken as license to behave like uncivilized lemmings, as long as you can get around the rules.

Government pulls for civilization, and everyone else pulls the other way?

Perhaps it would be better if the responsibility for maintaining civilization was held by individuals, leaving governments (or moderators) the role of simply maintaining consistancy in the application of penalties.

Or, in other words, the only person who can effectively regulate your behaviour is you. When you leave that task to Big Brother, that's when you excuse "irresponsible behaviour" in yourself -- but are quick to point it out to others.

Have we failed to teach relativity? Does every individual think they occupy a "priviledged" frame of reference?

Or in simple terms: Children, behave!

 

I think our nick85 set the tone with his language-style...

I'm just giving my opinion about him in "his" language...so he'd understand....maybe

 

Lemme know when you come up with that in a working model!

Children don't behave, and if you give them toys that can do major damage, they will.

Look at what happens when you hand a gun to a 12 year old, or a 50 year old for that matter, if he doesn't want to behave.

Same thing apparently, when you hand a car capable of warp speed to some folks. That's why this model "children behave" won't work.

If we can't behave on the internet, what makes you think there's any chance we'll behave in the "real" world.

DM

 

We live in a West where people would much rather be safe, & have a perfectly ordered world, than free:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/5353538.stm


Sorry for the politics - Nick, good luck in Cali - north, or south?

 

do you still wanna be free when some idiot kills your kid at 140 in a 55-zone????

think about it....

 

"do you still wanna be free when some idiot kills your kid at 140 in a 55-zone????"


Not surprisingly, I'd prefer that my kid not be killed by some idiot at any speed.

My original point was about the propriety of jail time for speeding. I believe it is inappropriate- absurd - asinine - to send otherwise law abiding folks to jail for going too fast - period.

I've not condoned speeding here - I personally wouldn't go 140 even on an interstate (though I did when I was Nick's age). The fines for speeding should be increasingly severe as speed increases. But ... jail? Read Nick's post about who kept him company during his "vacation."

If you want to be completely safe from everything of which you disapprove, IMO you will have to surrender an accompanying amount of freedom. That's the way it works, sadly.

I'm not going any further in this section, happy to move to politics section if you'd like.

 

It wil be here or not at all....

first pay to subscribe for a discussion that is going nowhere...I don't think so..

you wanna be free...lets get rid of the traffic lights and rules of give way and all other rules that make possible to drive without accidents???

uh...smart mentality imo...
no rules won't mean more freedom, only anarchy...is that the price you want to pay??? well, one has to be an idiot to bring such stupid thougts to life ...
and this is the last I will get into this, since there's no sane conversation possible .
don't take this as a personal attack, just my opinion.

 

There is speeding, 85 in 55 zone, and there is reckless indifference to human life which equates to a manslaughter charge.

115 or 140 in a 55 zone is not mere speeding.

Judge will not throw you in jail for doing 85 or 95. He'll throw you in jail for 115 or 140. Jail time is a deterrent from behaving like a moron on public roads.

Save the rest for the track.

 

That just about sums it up. I can't believe that Ferrari owners would encourage or support this type of behavior. Reckless behavior like this gives a bad name to all owners of high performance cars.

 

A.k.a.: "He started it!"

Waiting for somebody else to bear the responsibility of keeping civilization going?

Ever hear of setting a good example?

If one other person in the world is irresponsible, it's licence for everyone else to be almost as bad? Just so long as you can point to one person worse, then people are content to be not quite the worst people on earth?

Any guesses where that leads?

Well, for one thing, it leads to politicians who, in exchange for your letting them run your lives for you, will promise to take responsibility for running civilization.

Heck, one or two of them might actually mean it.

But, based on the track record, are they up to the task? Do the towns with the highest tax rates have the lowest crime? the best flowing traffic? the best schools?

The burden of civilization rests with We The People. You can give away authority, but not responsibility.

 

Let the conditions determine what's reasonable and responsible. Sitting here with a "I-know-better-than-you" attitude is EXACTLY what's wrong with traffic rules in the first place. Some traffic engineer in an office somewhere is determing what's "safe and reasonable" for a road he's probably never even driven on. There are many factors that go into determining what's "safe and reasonable", I'm sure. But, let's not forget how the system works.

States are largely dependent upon Federal transportation dollars to support their road infrastructure, and the Feds require the States to enforce the Federal speed limit in order for the States to get those dollars. In other words, if the States de-couple and post higher-than-Federal speed limits, they lose massive subsidy dollars. So, some do-gooder engineer in Washington, DC (or worse, a DC Politician) is determining that 55mph or 65 mph is the "ideal" speed. They've probably never even experienced the Autobahn or Autostradas. Or, if they have, they adhere to the "speed kills" theory, even though there is more than enough statistical evidence to refute this "bad science" theory/policy.

But, if it's "ideal", what's "ideal" and for whom? Revenue generation? Avoiding making an "unpopular" admission that these artifically-low speed limits were wrong all along? That the Feds and States have been fleecing us since the '70's based based on "bad science"? If vehicles are regularly traveling at 75mph and higher on Interstates without incident, what's the problem? If you argue that slower speeds will reduce the the damage when accidents occur, by that logic, why don't we have a 5mph speed limit or outlaw cars altogether and demand that we all ride bicycles or walk?

I'm not condoning doing 140 in a 55 in all conditions. But, the conditions dictate what's "safe and reasonable" in any situation. Traffic flow, congestion, cross-traffic, weather, road surface, equipment and driver ALL play a role. So, 140 in a 55 might be "safe and reasonable" given the conditions. For you "nervous nellies" to say that it's outright unsafe and unreasonable is just as foolhardy to suggest that it's outright safe and reasonable.

The first point that is made in the traffic safety course here in VA is that the driver is the best person capable of determining what's safe and reasonable in any situation.

Besides, this is Fchat, and F cars are engineered to go 140mph and beyond. So, why don't you suggest that all cars be engineered to have a maximum speed of 65pmh. That ought to make you happy.

CW

 

+1

I cant believe on some of the posts in this thread. Im new to the area where I live and my girlfriend show me some nice roads to have some fun and I just cant drive fast infront of houses or anywhere I think is stupid or reckless.

I dont want to be know as "Thats the Ferrari guy that drives recklessly stupid!".

 

"So, why don't you suggest that all cars be engineered to have a maximum speed of 65pmh."


I think we'll see, in our lifetimes, top speed and acceleration numbers fixed by legislation or judicial action. The manufacturers' "obey the speed limits" disclaimers won't work forever.

 

I don't think so. What you are proposing requires Legislation. If that is what you want, change the law. The law states speed limits, period. Here in Montana we used to enjoy no maximum speed limit on interstae highways. What that meant is if you were traveling at a speed under 100MPH you would not be stopped. If you were traveling over 100MPH and did not have Montana plates you would be stopped and fined. But too many people like this thread starter pushed the law to the max and ruined it for all of us.
Responsible is obeying the law and if you don't like it changing it.

 

Im sorry to say this, but this entire thread has become political and should be moved to that section if need be. And as such, I cannot believe there are so many whiney whimpy limp wristed FERRARI owners. When I see the US Flag, I think first of the land of the free, home of the brave. One year in prison for speeding seems reasonable to some of you?

My father is 84 years old. He was traveling from Minnesota to the west coast two or three times a year before many of you knew how to wipe your own butt, in cars many of you probably wouldnt feel safe to drive across town. In the mid 1940's to early 50's, he would travel US 40, among others routes, back and forth in cars like a '39 Ford, or '46 Ford, and later in a '49 Ford. He made 4 round trips in the '49. He claimed his record once was San Francisco to Mpls in 53 hours non stop. Remember, no freeways existed, US 40 for example was two lane blacktop, and in many areas in the west had no guard rails. You guys are gonna think he was nuts, but everyone else drove the same damned way, flat out foot to the floor, pedal to the metal. He once tried to catch a Greyhound bus for my brother, and ran a '56 Belair out as fast as it would go, and it took him over 10 miles to catch up to that bus. Them old Greyhounds had no trouble at all running at 100 MPH or more on open roads.

Now add in drum brakes, bias ply tires, no seat belts, crummy suspension, etc, but all only by todays standards. Look at the Ferrari 166MM. Is that car capable of high speeds? Is it a dangerous car now today because todays cars are so much more superior? Or has MADD or a few other organizations clouded all of our vision? R&T had on the cover of thier magazine back in the early 1970's, a picture looking past the instrument panel of a Ferrari Daytona. They claimed the picture was taken in Nevada somewhere, but the speedo is running at about 190 mph or so, give or take. The point is, a national magazine didnt think it was so rediculous to drive that fast on a public road. Then.

I like to drive fast when I get the chance, and I will. At least until some government of the government and for the government decides otherwise for me. As to freedom, I like it, and wish other people thought or cared enough to cherish it, but sadly, I think thats so far gone we will never get it back. As for me, I look at my Ferrari, which still carries that wild freedom that once existed in the US, and I wonder where it all went. And why so many who have been blinded by our weenie society are so easy to push over and accept all this medocrity. No, my friends, the real criminals are the ones who would put a man in prison for a year for a petty offence. At the very most, I could agree to reckless driving, which is only a petty misdemeanor, certainly nothing on the level of a felony. I have a cousin who never served a day in jail for armed robbery, and should have been locked up and had the key thrown away. So if some of you are thinking this speeding thing is worse than someone sticking a gun in your face and demanding money, please leave me alone and stay out of my face.

 

Speeding=Patriotism
Now I really feel stupid for following this thread.
Lets face it, if this thread was on RiceyHondas.com I think most posters would "probably" have a different stance.
I wish we did have our very own Autobahn too, but we don't and it's still a great country