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Imagine it this way: Russia gets a GP and they will have governor of Alaska presenting a trophy to prove the point that US should give Alaska back to Russia.

How would you feel ?

 

The president of KKTC (the north) being compared to bin laden and Saddam is outrageous. Eventhough it isnt recognized by anyone but Turkey it is actually a prosperous little country. A per capita income of around 11-14 thousand dollars and an average of 3 cars per family. Many British citizens have moved there to retire, and it is a favorite weekend retreat for Israeli gamblers. There are multiple universities there, which have rather large international student bodies...They really have been a success story as of late economically.


Its a sensitive issue, making judgements without knowing the whole story would the wrong thing to do. I dont see what anyone gains by not "recognizing" them, turning your back isnt going to make them go away... At one point many countries around the world didnt recognize Taiwan or Israel....Thats something to mull over.

 

Of course it is a big deal when countries start to make claims upon parts of the territory of another country.

 

Romeoturk.
You like it or not, it is undeniable that the Turkish Republic of Cyprus ONLY exists because of the invasion of a souvereign country by the Turkish army.
It's only because Turkey and Cyprus were (and still are) both part of NATO that the matter hasn't been put right, once and for all. The 'status quo' has been very convenient for NATO interests, no less for my own country, UK.

I mix constantly with Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots here in London, and none of them repudiate the facts. Both sides have lost, in terms of life, culture, properties, business, etc... Greeks were chased from the North, and Turks from the South. Many emigrated here in UK. The faults of this tragedy resides entirely with the turkish government of the time, who wanted to annex Cyprus. Strangely, after 40 years, the now democratic government in Turkey still don't want to recognise the errors of the past and give back the land it invaded.

As someone who has visited North and South Cyprus, I can categorically refute your description of the Turkish side: the standard of living is much lower, with high unemployement and an economy heavily subsidised by Turkey. Also, talking with some people through an interpretor, many said that they were not born there, but settlers forcibly brought from mainland Turkey to keep the level of population - an argument for the Turkish government not to hand back the territories.

One of the reason people buy properties there, is the low prices. It is not a sound investment; in international law, the land doesn't belong to the developers, it has been expropriated and could be claimed back in future in case of settlement between the two sides.

Unless the international community makes it an habit to endorse invasion and occupation of other countries, Northern Cyprus or the Turkish Republic of Cyprus hasn't got a chance in hell to be recognised.
For your information, countries who recognise China cannot recognise Taiwan, and vice-versa.

 

As usual jelous greeks are bringing politics in to anything and everything. Also comparing saddam and Turkey is something that only a stupid greek can manage. Turkish grand prix will be held at İstanbul park which is probably the best and safest until the end of the world.

And as for you donyeles do someting about your TURK complex. Go to a doctor.

 

Too bloody right whisky.

 

Greece will cause problems anyway , grand prix trophy is just an excuse. The real reason is greek historical inferiority complex against TÜRKİYE!

 

Don't even bother to reply this donyeles person , as I said the real problem is historical complex greeks have against Turkey. Just ignore him.

 

Again a lot of greek bull****. İf you are too bothered about TURKs living on the island come and get it back, if you have the balls. You messed with TURKS and you got reply in1974 and thats that.O.K. donyoles

 

I don't know who you address your invectives 'modene1xxx', but it can't be to me. I am not not Greek, even remotely connected to Greece or anything Greek; I have never even visited the country!

I can also tell you that have no TURK complex whatsoever; in fact I get on quite well with the Turks I come across here. So medical treatment on me would be wasted.

I don't know if the Greeks bring politics into anything and everything, but in inviting the president of the Turkish Republic of Cyprus to distribute the trophies at Istanbul Park, the Turkish authorities have certainly brought politics into F1.

The facts I outlined are historically well known, I didn't make them up and nobody, but maybe you contest them. The invasion of Northern Cyprus can be compared with the invasion of Kuwait. Personally I have no angle with anything to do with Cyprus, Turkey or Greece, so please, spare us your indignation. If you are unable to an objective analysis, and still harbour the feeling that your country can't do no wrong, or that historical evidences are all lies, well, that's your problem.

If you are, like your government is, in self denial, it's beyond hope. I suppose that an acceptation of guilt about the Armenian genocide is out of the question too?

 

This is a "ferrari" forum not "releive your TURKİSH complex" forum donyoles. Spend more time with your ferrari and your woman. İf you have either of them and go elsewhere political propoganda. Don't embaress yourself anyfurther.

 

Your numerous posts all in a row, your attack mode, and your skewed diatribe have pretty much invalidated you as a legitimate contributor to this thread.
As far as some of the other posts go; the fact that F1 is a very political animal has NOTHING to do with whether or not the FIA should be expected to let governmental politics be a part of the business of podium presentations or any other parts of the many forms of racing under its purvue. The FIA sets the rules, and if the race venues don't like them, well tough s***, they still have to live by them, and if they break them the pay. Simple. Governmental politics are way more f'ed up than F1 politics, and the FIA has done a good job of keeping them out. Anyone who can't see the absolute necessity for that is either ignorant of the sitution, or pushing their own agenda.

 

Those who should discuss about this issue need to read the history first. This is not a place to give history lesson to anyone but before comparing anyone to Saddam ....READ HISTORY!!!!.
As being a Ferrari forum, I would think people would be a little more educated and concious than average but I guess money can buy you a ferrari but not education.
Why is everyone so vexed about Turkish Cypriot giving out the thropy.. Hey.. they fine us.. we pay.. so what.. next year we can have who ever we can on the stage to give the thropy .. we know how much it costs

 

You may get hot under the collar when confronted with unpleasant truth, but this thread is about the fine imposed by the FIA (an INTERNATIONAL body) following the conduct of the organisers after the Turkish GP.

Only someone afflicted with grand delusion or suffering from an advance state of paranoia would see in their decision a tool of Greek propaganda.

In future, I suggest that you don't stay so long in the sun, pal...

 

''Country should have been bombed long time ago...'' Is this coming from a Brit whose country invented the art of occupation?

 

Armenian Genocide.. Cyprus issues.. whats going on guys... this is a ferrari forum.. wanna share political ideologies.. there are other sites for that..