ceramic brake discs

hi all,

what is the quality diffence between standard brake discs and ceramic brake discs. is the price difference worth it?

 

On the high street not worth it

On a race track worth it

The difference between stopping and not stopping after all but the first few laps

 

Most of the track guys dont relaly like them for the track, and they are far to expensive to replace. The factory steel brake system also isnt up to the task of a race track. Your best bet is to upgrade to a steel big brake kit.

 

Depends on the track, driving style, etc. I had experienced brake fade in my 360. I recently changed the pads to Ferodo 2500's--they worked great without any evidence of fade. That was a $250 fix--hard to beat vs. ceramic and/or big brake kits. Downside is that they squeel (YMMV) so I pull them out and replace the stock pads for the street.

I think the CCB look outstanding, but they are not worth the coin in my mind.

Additional post--sorry, I am trying to do this at work--but I have some additional comments.

1) EVERYONE I know who has the CC brakes and tracks their car loves them--yes, they are eyewateringly expensive to maintain. But, they are remarkable in how well they work on both the track and street. Are they better than the stock (or big brake kit) fitted with race only pads--that depends on your driving preference and what kind of bite, release, etc. characteristics that you want in a track brake.

2) There are multiple posts on this site about the stock 430 system, with the upgraded fluid and rotors over the 360, and the fact that these brakes will not fade significantly on the track. Certainly, with an upgraded pad they are quite up to a racetrack--I disagree with what Harmonyautosport said above. And based on my experience with my 360 I would support the 430 owners who said this.

Now, if you are talking about going all out on a very fast track on R compound tires you might need something better than stock. That being said, you probably also would need a harness, a firesuit, a fire supression system, a roll cage--etc. Realize that even a modestly driven 360/430 can be much faster (at least down the straights) as many full on race cars.

As a bottom line comment you can certainly take your stock 360/430 with standard brakes to the track and have a great time--you just look for brake fade and back off some down the straights for a few laps. Most of the fun is going around the corners anyway.

Cheers--Scott

 

There is a very special feeling with the carbon brakes. They build stopping power as they get hot. Just the opposite of steel rotors. In my opinion it is a big improvement over steel brakes. It also amazes me how quickly they stop the Stradale. For me it adds to the Ferrari experience. From what I have read the rotors last a very long time but it does need pads like standard brakes. Also the major decrease in "unsprung weight" is noticeable over bumps. Less weight for the shock and spring to control. Even with the cost I am a big fan.

 

CCBs are worth it alone in the looks category! Fills out the wheel well much better, the regular breaks look puny IMO.

 

thanks for the advice people!

 

Anyone know the acutal weight savings with ceramic brakes? on the enzo its about 27.5 pounds. is it the same for the f430?

 

I ordered them for my spider which will not be tracked. I have steel brakes on my coupe.

If you are buying the best sports car in the world, you should equip the car with the best technology available at the time.

 

I like them a lot, big improvement. On 575 I dont have them and slowing a 4,000 lb car from 150mph after a few laps is waaay too exciting at times. There are probably cheaper aftermarket alternatives.

 

They are wonderful on the track. I had my CS out at Firebird in S. Phoenix today and had about an hour and a half of track time. There is a long straightaway with a 90 degree left hander which requires heavy braking, as well as some other quick transition turns requiring some serious braking effort. The CS's carbon brakes just got better as the session went on. A couple of other cars at the the track had to pull off after not many laps due to brake fade, including a very quick Ford GT and a Corvette Z06.

 

bear in mind cost of replacing disks and pads .... currently £10.5k in UK

 

one small advantage of the ceramic disks is much less brake dust....

 

How often do you have to replace disks and pads?

I thought that the disks were supposed to last almost forever.

What sort of pads do you have to use with ceramic disks?

 

As of today, no UK CS has had replacement disks. My car had seen plenty of track days with previous owners and disks shows 25 % wear on SD3 . I would suggest that with normal road use/some track use the disks will last a long, long time Pads were changed @ 6.5 k miles, FYI.

 

What is the cost to change the pads? Are there a number of available pads, or only oem pads?

 

These are UK prices . I don't know where you are ;

Prices are as follows;
Front pads £581.50
Rear pads £541.50
Front discs £1946.50 each
Rear discs £1946.50 each
Brake fluid £15.00

plus bedding in /bleeding , road test & VAT

 

They were great for me on the track. No fade
The lack of break dust is a great Plus in IMO.
Many times It's the difference between feeling like
you have to wash it and getting away with for a week.
The wheels always look good.

 

Are the pad prices per wheel, or per axle?

 

per axle . Do you have a CS? and a thank you would nice ...

 

Thank you Tony ..!

 

LOL! you're more than welcome, bro

 

No, I don't have a CS.

A big over the internet thank you for your information!

 

Guys,

Some are saying "carbon" but I thought CCB meant Ceramic discs.

I thought Carbon discs were not available. Do I misunderstand?

 

CCB - Carbon Ceramic Brakes

Al