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  1. denver

    denver Rookie

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    I need some help! I just replaced my clutch on a 2000 360 Modena at 29,000 miles and after picking it up and driving I notice when I downshift from 3rd to 2nd it is very difficult, I almost have to slam it into 2nd. I called the technician and he didn't know what the problem could be. I have noticed before replacement and after that when the car is cold it grinds going into second, is this normal? Could it be related?

    Thanks for any help.
     
  2. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Who works on your car up there? If it is the dealer get rid of that trash gear oil they use. That would be a place to start. Could be a cable adjustment issue and there is also a plastic bushing in the shifter that breaks and causes a shifting problem similar to yours.

    You really need to have someone take a look at it. I would suggest calling Dave Helms at 303-938-9000. He is in Boulder and is the best available East of the Sierra Nevada.:D

    I just realized your name is Denver not your City. Duh.

    Find someone to look at it.
     
  3. denver

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    Motorcars Intl. replaced the clutch and they seem to know what their doing,(hopefully)I am taking it up to them tomorrow to let them drive it and maybe they'll have a better understanding.
     
  4. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    They are a good dealer. The oil Ferrari requires them to use is not the best and I would change it to something else but the main thing is someone is going to have to drive it to see what is wrong.
     
  5. SoftwareDrone

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    I had the exact same problem after getting the clutch replaced in mine. Turned out to be a plastic bushing that resides on the gear shift shaft. Got that replaced and it has shifted perfect ever since.
     
  6. RayJohns

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    is that the one they mentioned the other day which you can get in Aluminum from Hill? It kinda looks like a U?

    I was thinking about replacing that, especially if that's the one you are talking about.

    Ray
     
  7. ferrari doctor

    Aug 19, 2004
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    Ray, your right, the metal one is better and I'm pretty sure that's the problem here.
    Brian, by the way, isn't "Sleight of hand" a little extreme?? For the best oil recommendations, check out what Ali has to say in his threads. I couldn't agree more....
     
  8. denver

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    Thanks for all the help, now if I could find a legal chat site, I could save $300 per hour my Attorney charges me. I'm sure it would have cost me a couple of grand to find this out, you guys are better than most dealers, cheaper and quicker! I'll keep you posted if that works or not. Thanks again!
     
  9. Rifledriver

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    No it is not. I have had many dealings with them, they know who I am and where I am and if I could not defend the statement I would have already heard from David Wertheim, their legal counsel.
     
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    First clutch after 29,000 miles! That is a good record!
     
  12. bob bc

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    i think im having clutch issues. starting in first is exremely jerky! was thier a recall on 99 and 00 clutch ( throw back bearings)??. I have 17K and my dealer said i have 35% left on the clutch. Should it be serviced?

    When should a timing belt be done? i only have 17K but its 6 years old now the car, should it be done??
     
  13. RayJohns

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  14. SoftwareDrone

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    Ray, my apologies, I just now saw the lastest offerings on this post. Yes, this is exactly what I had replaced on my car. I never knew someone made a billet aluminum replacement until just now. I never had a problem going into reverse when my part was cracked, but it was very difficult to go from 3rd to 2nd, and virtually impossible to go from 4th to 6th (and back). I would be very interested in driving your car around the block with this aluminum piece if at all possible. Or even go through the gears with the car shut off.
     
  15. Rifledriver

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    Mike they only started to make it at my suggestion after I had done your car and a few others.
     
  16. SoftwareDrone

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    I didn't know that - but I am not the least bit surprised! I do recall you saying something about maybe getting some aluminum prototypes developed. I'm just glad you had the smarts to properly diagnose the correct the problem. I spoke with the service manager of [insert major Ferrari dealership name here] and they had never even heard of this part!
     
  17. Rifledriver

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    Why do you think I have experienced it so much? Cars come here after several trips to the dealer and being told nothing is wrong.
     
  18. GCalo

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    I bought one from Daniel, and I have it. It's certainly worth the $75.00.

    I need to install it as I sometimes have problems going into 2nd.
     
  19. Rifledriver

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    It is not a fix all. It only addresses a specific problem but it is a cheap preventative measure.
     
  20. RayJohns

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    My car currently shifts no problem. When cold, it's a little rough into 2nd once in a great while, but very very minor and very rare. I'm guessing it could be more related to a gear oil issue and may change gear oil shortly here as well.

    The reason I ordered the little aluminum U part was mainly as preventative maintenance on the car. I have 10K miles on mine and drive it all the time. I want to head off any problems down the road and basically would just feel better about having the plastic part removed if it has a medium to high failure rate as Brian has indicated.

    wow... doesn't that all sound convincing? hehe.. the real reason was because I have fixed everything else on the car and have nothing left to tinker with - lol :) hehe.

    Anyway, once I install it, I'll let you know if there is any difference in shifting. Next time we are both at SR, of course you are welcome to work the shifter.

    BTW, does anyone know off hand, does the shifter ball unthread from the rod counter clockwise? I would assume it does, but you never know when you run into funky reverse threads on something like that. From what Brian said previously, you loosen the little jam nut and off it comes. I'll have to see what else is required to get at that plastic part. Maybe I can post some photos for anyone else wishing to upgrade.

    Ray
     
  21. SoftwareDrone

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    Both the nut and the ball are standard. Meaning, you get a wrench (18mm?) under the ball and turn it clockwise (in the perspective of looking down at it) to loosen it, then turn the ball counterclockwise to loosen it.
     
  22. RayJohns

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    Great, thanks Mike. Always nice to be sure before putting too much force on something. I see there is a little rolled pin down in there. Does that have to be driven out in order to change this part? I haven't torn into things yet, so I'm not sure what I'm dealing with down there :)

    Ray
     
  23. SoftwareDrone

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    The "pin" you are referring to; is this part of the shifter knob assembly, or the shifting mechanism. I don't have any pin near my shifter ball. Perhaps you could post or send a picture.
     
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  25. SoftwareDrone

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    Thanks Daniel!
    That drawing helps a lot. I cannot speak from experience as I have only taken the shifter ball off, but it looks like a pin that would have to be knocked out to me. Maybe someone else more experienced can chime in. I would love to know how to R&R this part. Actually, I would love to know how to R&R everything, as I love tinkering on my car. But in reality, it's much better for me to just give it to Brian [Crall].
     

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