What if FA went to Ferrari and won 8 more WDC's ???

I'd still hate him. I'd be happy for Ferrari.

 

At this point, there is probably even somewhat of a grudge against the Spainiard troll in the Ferrari camp anyway. It would have to be many years later (even without the McLaren contract) before they would allow him in

 

ditto. (tho im not 40 )

 

I have to admit to having been biased against Alonso. A leap from Minardi to a front line Renault? He got too far too easily.

Last year, some of his drives convinced me that he *might* be for real.

But this year, he's facing his first real pressure, and not doing it very well. This is the result of not having paid his dues.

He may grow up yet. But he's not there now.

 

He may not be doing well in press interviews, but what is wrong with his driving? The only problem he has had is when the car let him down in Hungary and Monza, at both those races he put in stirring drives from the rear, like MS had done in the past. The reason he was even at Minardi was due to Flavio as using Minardi in the past as a Driver Development team. Fischella and Webber did the same under Flavio.

 

good post Tony.

 

Well said. Plus I haven't saw him do a mistake this year unlike Schumi. Only at Indy Alonso looked average because of bad car balance. Even last year, he did like what..one mistake? ...in Montreal. He makes remarkably few mistakes, and that's why people rate him above Kimi.

Most people think Kimi is the the out-and-out quickest (raw speed) and Fernando the most complete driver.

 

+1

Thank you Bryan, boy you are up late. I had the guys from Malaysia here up late as well.

 

+2

 

"Leave the Friday driver alone."

 

+1

 

That says more about the car than it does Massa.

Irvine and Barrichello went from mid-pack to Grand Prix winners back to mid-pack, once they left the team. Personally I rate both of them higher than I do Massa. He was mediocre in the Sauber and he is mediocre now, he is just in a faster car. 80% of the current grid would become frontrunners if handed a Ferrari.

 

i actually recall rubens doing a whole lot better compared to Irv. but the fact here was, The car was strong on the hold, compared to when 1st Irv arrived.

 

i normally sleep between 1-3 am. either watching smallville, lost, or something like that. or, most likely watching some Ferrari clips, so that i can dream i'm in one

 

If FA came to Ferrari I'd root for McLaren. To be honest, I'm getting a bit tired of rooting for the Ferrari/Schumi combo.

 

What about Schumi going from Jordan to Benneton after only one race?

Alonso has been doing a fine job as a driver and frankly I think his poise under pressure in the car and his consistency demonstrate a much higher degree of maturity as a driver than people here are giving him credit for. Do I care if he makes a dumb comment now and then? Not really, just about every drivr does at one time or another, especially at such a young age.

Like it or not, Alonso has proven himself as a top driver, he is the youngest F1 champion evr and about to become the youngest 2-time champion ever. I suspect if the situation was reversed and Alonso was going to Ferrari instead of Kimi, more than a few people here would be lining up to polish his Spanish knob, don't kid yourselves.

I like Alonso, I think he has a brilliant career ahead of him, especially if McLaren builds a good enough car for him. Next year is going to be fun.

 

I'd love it.

FA really seems to have the nack for winning. There are guys who are fast, guys who can race, and then you have that rare breed who know how to contiually get to the front and stay there. It will be interesting to see how Freddy gets on without the Renault underneath him, but don't be surprised if he picks up right where he left off. He looks every bit like one of those guys.

And in red? What's not to like? I'm pretty sure Enzo would approve.

 

If FA does win 10 WDC, then he should be considered as one of the greatest F1 driver ever, and righfully so. However, some will argue that 1) He had no true competition during his career run. 2) F1 is fixed, it is not a real sport (Ironically, this accusation could be coming from FA himself). 3) Senna is still better. If Senna were still alive today, even know he should be in his 40's, he can still beat Alonso with his helmet half on and with only one functioning gear. 4) Ferrari driver or not, he is still a drama queen.

Now, pass the popcorn.

 

Ferrari will go back to "also ran" and hopefuly "competive" status, But MS turned that team into the winner it is. FA is just another good talented driver like maybe 10 or so others, he is, to coin a phrase from a movie "a driver not a thinker" his asset to the team is just in driving and not car development like MS. When JV left Williams/Renult he went from world champion hero, to "also ran has- been" being out pointed by his test driver replacement at Wiiliams/Renult. That fate could fall to FA unless Mclearen has big changes. I foresee FA been out pointed by his old team mate Fiss. History is filled with driver who only follow money and not good teams and then fall in the standings, arogance and drivers belief that they or what wins and not the team is usally their down fall. MS was a team player.

 

He didn't do it alone. Schumacher is one of several people responsible for turning Ferrari into a championship team. Without Todt, Brawn, Byrne and the rest, Schumacher wouldn't have even remotely as successful...and MS will be the first one to tell you that.

You can't be serious. That statement is ridiculous. Alonso is about to become a 2-time WDC. There aren't too many drivers who can say that and certainly none of next year's grid can. The only driver who compares is Kimi and even he lacks the consistency to win a championship

Do you seriously think McLaren is a mediocre team? Are you out of your fcuking mind? If there is a team on the grid that has the depth of resources and the talent to develop a Ferrari-beating car, it is McLaren. This team has won more championships than I can count and it is simply stupid to think that McLaren will not bounce back and develop another championship-caliber car. And it is equally ridiculous to think that a mid-level driver, bordering on has-been and never-was status, as Fisichella is going to out-point Alonso. Fisichella is another Coulthard, a solid #2 driver that doesn't have the talent to step up to the highest rung on the ladder. If it hasn't happened for Fischella by now, it will never happen.

You can put Fisi up there with DC, Trulli, Ralf, Rubens, Webber, Massa, Heidfeld, and Wurz. These guys are all mid-pack runners who are making up the numbers. I suspect half of these guys will be gone from F1 by the time Alonso's contract with McLaren expires.

 

Mclearen is of course no footworks/ arrows team or such back marker, but they have not had the package to win lately like Renult or Ferrari, maybe even they are on par with Honda? which is good. I know MS did not do it "all on his own" but did he not insist on bringing with him some people? I do not belive that FA is a head above the rest, some but not all. Now with him moving, All bets are off in my book. MS was really a rare driver that does not come along very often. FA is good, like many drivers in the past, maybe even great. but not MS

 

For all you Alonso haters, FYI, Alonso is clearly more successful at this point in his career than MS was at the same point in his career...after all, he is the youngest WDC and will likely soon be the youngest two time WDC by Sunday...so in that respect, Alonso is a better driver. In order to make a complete comparison however, you must wait until Alonso has raced in F1 for the same numebr of years and see where he stands then...only time will tell...