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308 Oil LInes.. AGAIN

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  1. gt500blue

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    I Know there are a couple of threads on this topic, but I'm really not interested in building my own oil lines. I want to find out who you all suggest I go to in order to order replacement oil cooler lines for my 83 308 GTSi. Unfortunately, we replaced the crush washers, but the lines seem to be leaking from the hose just before the connectors. Both lines are leaking and I know these are critical repairs due to fire hazard.

    They are very pricey from the dealer. Does anyone know where I can replace them with good lines (steel braided preferred).

    Thank you all very much!
     
  2. PAP 348

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    Can you get some made by Pirtek ect?? :) Hose Doctors? :D
     
  3. bartmandial 8

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    Try GT Car Parts out of AZ. If you email me tomorrow I can get you the number. I believe they were around half of what the dealer wanted. [email protected]
    Bret
     
  4. Artvonne

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    Superformance sells some for the GT4 but I dont know if they would work on a GTB. Pretty reasonabley priced.
     
  5. enjoythemusic

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  6. FasterIsBetter

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    If the end fittings are still in good condition, take them to a local shop that makes hydraulic hoses. Tell them its for an oil cooler on an old Fiat. They can make them up for you for cheap. Find a local shop in the yellow pages or ask a couple of local mechanics where they get their pressure hoses made up.
     
  7. enjoythemusic

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    Excellent suggestion! i THINK one of the end connectors is hard to buy new. If it can be reused just have 'em reterminate her up. Cheap and works.
     
  8. 350HPMondial

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    To prevent the fine threads from weeping, between the hose end and the banjo fitting, I applied a small amount of non-hardening PTFE based pipe sealent to the threads, then assembled them normal. (Tru-Blu, Rector seal.)

    This method of assembly even allows a few degrees of rotation between the parts, during assembly to the cooler.

    (Guys, I have been holding off on this advice for a while to see if it actually worked. Now,,,, without any weeping for six years.)
     
  9. FasterIsBetter

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    I've worked with banjo bolts on a lot of different cars, and AFAIK, the threads have nothing to do with sealing the fitting. It's the copper washer between the banjo fitting and the cooler (in this case) and the copper washer between the fitting and the banjo bolt head that do the sealing. The bolt itself has one or two holes in it to allow oil to flow, and that is outboard of where the threads go into the cooler housing (or engine block or other assembly being fed or feeding the line). Putting sealer on the threads runs the risk of introducing particles into the oil flow. Every time I install or reinstall a banjo bolt/fitting, I always use new copper washers to assure a good seal. And don't overtighten them, snug should be tight enough, if you don't have a torque spec for them.
     
  10. Rifledriver

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    Yup, what he said.

    And I'll repeat one part "No sealant".


    Most towns have airports and most airports have support businesses. Among them are usually a hose fabrication shop. If not there go to a local speed shop and ask where all the local racers or hot rod builders get their hoses made. The correct fittings are not available but they can reuse yours. Aeroquip hose is far superior to the OE stuff so the end result SHOULD be a better hose.
     
  11. chris marsh

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    I just had some made at a Parker-Hannifin store cost just under $300.00 for both and they had the washers as well. After taking my old hoses to 4 or 5 hydraulic shops around Detroit I took the old ones apart. Nobody at those 4 stores realized that the ends are re-usable. Simply unsrew the ferrules.

    If you want new ones check Parker-Hannifin website for store nearest you.

    I found a place in Florida I think their name was Hyraulic Supply company. But they sold washers called "Voss Bondseal" Crush washers with rubber seals bonded to the inside diameter. Should be able to find a supplier from Voss website.
     
  12. 350HPMondial

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    Chris and brian,

    Please read this entire post,,,,, again, before you refute my findings......
    (I never said to put sealent on the banjo fitting. Duh... Everybody here is talking about the tapered hose fittings.)

    Thanks for your attention,
    Edwardo
     
  13. 350HPMondial

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    I buy $ 10,000.00 plus ++++ ,,,,, per year of Parker-Hannifin products. They can build you hoses too. This is good advice if you dont want a concourse set of hoses.
     
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  15. gt500blue

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    Thanks everyone, for the great advice! I'll check out the options. I think the fittings are fine from a quick visual inspection. I took a mirror and could see the oil dripping when the car was running. THe oil was coming from the hose/connector portion. NOT the banjo bolts (which have new crush washers recently installed to see if that was the problem).

    I will look around in Austin for a good hose shop and see what I can get done.

    Thanks again!
    John
     
  16. gt500blue

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    Stephen,

    You suggested that I make my own. Have you done this in the past? Don't I need special tools to make the hoses/lines?

    Pegasus has a lot of different hoses and connector options. Are you familiar with the correct parts for this applications?

    More detials are appreciate if you know them.
    Thanks!
    John
     
  17. enjoythemusic

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    John,

    Not sure the exact parts needed and never made one myself... but plan to as i am dumping my Ferrari (for track use) for a proper open wheel car that uses these types of lines. Pegasus can probably make the lines for you, give 'em a call. It is just a hose, it is not rocket science.
     
  18. gt500blue

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    Thanks Steven,

    I am more concerned about the fittings matching the cooler and block and oil filter housing. But I'm checking out the various options suggested here.

    Thanks again!

    PS - a good friend of mine is selling his son's Formula Mazda Race car and entire set up. Not sure what kind of open wheelie you are looking for, but just thought I'd pass this along to see if you were interested.

    John
     
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    Thanks John and FM was in the running but am in the middloe of a deal for a FC car. Final inspection is Sunday and it comes with a mind-boggling spares package.
     
  20. gt500blue

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    Oil lines changed. Messy job, but someone had to do it! :)


    Ended up purchasing new lines from TRutlands. Great guys and decent price (half of the Ferrari dealer). No leaks. Happy times.

    Thanks for all of your help. And it definately made it easier to pull the cooler out of the car. Those old original lines were very difficult to get off.

    John
     
  21. FasterIsBetter

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    Woe, wait a minute... Did I read this right???!! Steve, you're getting an open wheel racer?? Nice! What are you planning on getting? Just remember, a lot of the clubs and events will not let you run an open wheeled race car on the track with other cars. FCA Empire Region has banned open wheel cars from its events with the closed wheel cars because of the disparity in size, weights, risks of open wheel cars interacting with regular cars. Are you planning on joining one of the open wheel racing programs?

    Dish, man. We want info. This might require its own thread (sorry for the hijack, guys).
     

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