UCLA Police Taser Student

In my experiences, most of the good cops are in major cities. Suburb cops are mostly overweight speed limit enforcers who couldn't chase a criminal on foot if their life depended on it.

 

I'm not so sure....... there are plenty of witnesses, so hopefully it will become clearer. It looks as though he might have stopped at the front to create a scene. I think when the officers tried to move him along he went to the ground. I'm not condoning what the officers did, but this student seemed to provoke them by first not complying with the CTO (?) and then again with them. He should accept some responsibility.....

 

A taser is simply another tool used for non-compliance, same as OC Spray. Of the two options, obviously, the taser is the smarter choice. We don't know if the officers tried to physically remove the person before the video started rolling. But, he clearly ignored the officer's request. Through personal experience, I'll tell you that I'd rather be tasered than hit with OC again....Took me nearly an hour with what we used during training(concentration of spray). The guy clearly didn't get up or cooperate with the directions of the officers. They made it clear that he would be tasered again if he did not get up. Yes, the taser hurts, no it does not keep you from walking after the shock is over.

Let's just wait to see what the truth is and how it's handled, then comment on who is right or wrong....as for the article, yep, everything I read in the news is fact. Wait, no, they just print the first thing they hear that will sell. Kid won't be walking away with 5mil, and not all the officers will be fired, that's a little bit of a far toss.

Cop to pig ration, lol....tool. Could you show anymore ignorance? Great comparisons though, right....40/60 ratio, wow. If that was the case, then we would see A LOT more of this stuff everyday. There was one cadet in my class that had the "little man" syndrome. He has yet to find a job because his personality always comes out in the interviews, thank God....

 

I'll just keep setting up new names, no matter how many times you ban me. Allan has given me a mission and I intend to carry it out: **** the pigs

 

oh yeah...tazer over oc ANY DAY OF THE WEEK!!! ill take 5 seconds of pain over a couple of hours. My eyes were swolen shut for 45mins. I tried it all, milk, baby shampoo and the crap they sell that is supposed to help. the only thing that felt good was freezing cold water and time. Mr. Monkey, where did you do your training if you dont mind me asking?

 

so you are saying all you are is a tool of allan? good for you. I've got no beef with allan. posting a pic like that is childish. What are you some kind of super rebel? driving fast and not following all traffic laws is one thing, but killing cops...wow. Im not a cop because after i finished my training I decided it wasnt for me, but 99.9% of all police have my respect. Its turds like yourself that piss me off.

 

see, now thats funny.

 

Is that the student's girlfriend?

 

Achille decided to post a picture of herself with her boyfriend...lol....

One tip though....Wait looks like your already getting one, lmao!

 

Back on topic...


The video doesn't do a single thing to show how this situation initially escalated and hardly showed the perp at all, which means that jumping to conclusions at this stage of the game is a bit premature.

 

"At around 11:30 p.m., CSOs asked a male student using a computer in the back of the room to leave when he was unable to produce a BruinCard during a random check. The student did not exit the building immediately.

The CSOs left, returning minutes later, and police officers arrived to escort the student out. By this time the student had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack when an officer approached him and grabbed his arm, at which point the student told the officer to let him go. A second officer then approached the student as well. "

So he was leaving the building by the time the cops got there. He was on his way out, got mouthy, and they TASERED HIM. That seems appropriate...

"As the student and the officers were struggling, bystanders repeatedly asked the police officers to stop, and at one point officers told the gathered crowd to stand back and threatened to use a Taser on anyone who got too close.

Laila Gordy, a fourth-year economics student who was present in the library during the incident, said police officers threatened to shoot her with a Taser when she asked an officer for his name and his badge number. "

Sounds like someone was a little Taser happy.

http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38958

 

Well, the officers are completely within their rights to make those threats in order to keep a riot from breaking out. And I'll bet you anything that the econ student was getting in the face of an officer and was NOT speaking in a polite or non threatening tone.

I can't tell you how many times I have seen people arrested for trying to get involved with the police when the police are handling something else at the time. It happens a lot to drunk college kids when a bar gets raided or when a fight breaks out. Officers begin to arrest someone and the drunk or emotional friend jumps into the mix and approaches the officers with, "heyyyyy, you can't arrest him he didnt do ANYTHING!!!, Wait wait wait, blah blah blah."

Officers usually warn the excited individual to go away and not interfere with the situation or face being arrested. Dumbass continues badgering officer and officer gets fed up and arrests the clown.

What are the first words out of the clown's mouth???

"WHAT! YOU can't do this! I didn't do ANYTHING! What are you doing?!?! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah"


Thats how it goes and you are stupid if you think argueing or getting in the face of an officer will do a single thing. And I have personally seen someone close get arrested in front of me and beaten up by a group of rookie officers while I got slammed up face first into a pole by another officer. The person close to me was charged with all sorts of nonsense that was eventually all thrown out because the officers were truly abusing their power.

My point though? If you don't like what the officers are doing see them in court. Don't get in their face and argue unless you want to get peppered, tazed, or arrested.

And in terms of this video, I think the officers actually dealt with the unruly kids pretty well. They had a ton of tolerance. If that had happened here in New Orleans the paddy wagon would have been called and those kids yelling in the faces of the police would go to jail, plain and simple.

I am not saying the officers are right or wrong in this case, but they do have to protect themselves from potential mob violence.

 

If the kids want to be part of a solution, they need to file a complaint with the school. As many witnesses as there were, there will be alot. And you dont need to be in an officers face in a tense situation yelling I want your name and badge number. I am sure the main office knows who was on duty and there is a report filed.

 

The kid was a student working on a computer in the library. He, for whatever reason, didn't have his ID. He got spot checked and was asked to leave. If any of us were in that situation, we'd all be pretty annoyed.

That obviously doesn't excuse the fact that he did "break a rule" by not having his ID when he was - god forbid - working in the library. It certainly doesn't excuse the fact that he was so pissed off that he talked back to the library worker enough to get the police to come and escort him out.

However, by packing up his things and leaving, I wouldn't think it necessary to grab the kid by his arm to help drag him out. Even if the kid swore up and down, why would you taser him when he's on his way out anyway? Doesn't make much sense to me. Also doesn't make much sense to threaten to taser someone for asking a cop his name and badge number.

Do I think the kid was an *******? Sure.

Would I be super pissed off if I was a student working on a computer at 11:30 at night, minding my business, and someone spotted checked me and I left my ID in my room? Sure.

I'm not saying either party is justified. There have been a lot of responses from the cops point of view, but none from the kid who got tasered. He wasn't a madman, he was an aggrivated student.

My grandfather was a cop in New York City. I have the utmost respect for police. I only hope that they don't abuse the power they have.

 

I feel for the Cops (pigs, whatever)......I bet the Kid deserved to get tazerd...The cops asked him nicely first, you hang around and show that a person who earned his authority is not to be listened too, get tazed....what if the guy was a stacker or child molester after the fact those students would not have argued. Hell I would have tazed him some more for just yelling 'Patriot Act.'

But those students going after 4 cops like that and being out number can be a dicey situation, can easily turn into a mob mentality, just cause a stoner kid didn't listen to the cops.....

Yah and my sister was at UF when all those student murders happened.

+1 for the cops

 

Only reason this is even news is because someone had the video rolling.

 

If you look at the second link (for MSNBC), it says the officer 'placed a hand on one of his arms, to which the student objected'. Then it starts changing to grabbed his arm, etc..

Whatever happened was enough to get the campus cops involved. They would have the right to stop the idiot so they can sort everything out. If thee idiot has a problem with it, he should have had his card on him.

 

And if you look at the link from the SCHOOL paper, which we can assume has better access to information happening at the school than MSNBC does, it says:
"...an officer approached him and grabbed his arm, at which point the student told the officer to let him go."

Nope, not what happened if you read the articles. The staff asked nicely, he gave them lip, and while they were going to get the cops HE BEGAN TO LEAVE THE LIBRARY. By the time the cops got involved, he was on his way out.

 

if you watch the end of the video, the stoner kid had his legs off the ground like he curled them under, the cops were lifting him out. It shows that he was able to stand but refused....if he was able to keep his feet off the ground when he was carried away he could have stood......... like acting like a cry baby five year old

 

My quote from MSNBC was sourced from the school newpaper. The paper is changing its wording.


Whatever the nincumpoop did, it was enough to summon campus police. They have a right to 'stop' him while they conduct their investigation.


EDIT: From mine- Officers were escorting Tabatabainejad out of the computer lab when the trouble started, according to the Daily Bruin. One of the officers placed a hand on one of his arms, to which the student objected.

As a second officer approached, he repeatedly yelled "get off of me," the newspaper reported.

It was then that one of the officers shot Tabatabainejad with a stun gun, dropping him to the floor as he cried out, according to the newspaper.

The nincumpoop is in the wrong. What are the chances of the student having the digital recorder out of the blue. Nincumpoop failed to provide ID, started yelling 'get off me' to the cops at an opportune time. I bet it was a setup.

 

I'm not denying that.

It is possible in an altercation for BOTH parties to be wrong, though.

Cops are put in dangerous situations all the time and should carry what they need to handle those situations. In the end, I guess all of our viewpoints are based on how dangerous we percieve the situation to be to necessitate that kind of force. I personally don't feel that a rowdy student leaving a library after being asked to deserves the same punishment as, say, someone running from the cops after committing a crime.

Admiration and respect for authority doesn't mean that we should have blind faith that there are no bad apples in the bunch.

 

F'n cops. They should be required to contact the local police and let them deal with it. Let the law suits begin. This'll probably cost the school a pretty penny.

 

It could have just been a normal camera, I carry mine around wherever I go, and don't some of the new cellphones have good video recording quality too? I'm not sure to think about this whole thing, MikeZ put it well in post #39, but I don't think it was a setup

 

Why? When the school is the jurisdiction of those officers? Let's just let the dust settle and see. More than likely, the school would probably settle just because it would be cheaper than paying lawyers to win it. I just wish that some of the places would quite "rolling over" to just settle things. Fight it and show you're right....if that is the case.

 

I'm not saying it was a camera phone but my phone could probably produce video that good