Mega Thread: The 430 Replacement (F450, F500, etc)

I was just thinking, why doesn't Ferrari have a v10 in production? don't get me wrong, the v8 is incredible and the 12 is perfect, but why no 10's? has anyone heard about development of such a powerplant?

 

It was rumored that a V10 would come in the 430 at one point. Now that F1 is back to V8's, I think the odds are remote.

Dave

 

As I mentioned some time ago about Italian engineers and/or designers,
IF THEY CAN'T MAKE IT DIFFERENT, THEY WILL MAKE IT DIFFERENT.

 

For the same reason that Eric Clapton does not play the banjo.

 

...what for? the V8 is good for them for now, why change for nothing?

 

Why bother with the V10.....Look at this work of art F430 engine.
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That engine gives me a chubby everytime I look at it.....

 

I don't think F1 has got anything to do with what engines go in production cars.

 

There doesn't seem to be any connection in he recent past. But I think the odds of a V10 production car are greatly reduced now that "Mikey" doesn't drive one anymore.

Dave

 

I hear Ferrari are going to supercharge V8's for the future.
Just another 3 years and we will all findout whats going in the F430 replacement.
Be sure to be in line for that ride.

 

Pap, with the amount of time you spend looking at pictures on this website, you must find it difficult to walk!

 

I heard somewhere the V10s have an inheirent problem. Something about a vibration in somewhere where vibration should not be. Which is why Ferrari never bothered with a V10.

Which is also why F1 choose to go with a V10 during the years when they had it; to force the engineers and designers to work around the problem.

However, I could be wrong.

Oh and jaslally, if F1 has no relationship to what engines go into cars then why was the toyota/lexus supercar orginally stated to have a V10 and when F1 changed to V8, that info said the car would either be a v10 or v8.

 

I'm taking Ferrari not Rice burners that haven't won a single grand prix

 

Does anyone else think this looks a little like a chicken you get from the supermarket -- I mean really, look at the shape.

I guess this would be one chicken that COULD fly.

 

lol so true, isnt it a little early to be talking about a 430 replacement?

 

It is my understanding that it is the V8 that is an inherently unstable design that vibrates more than any other cylinder configuration .

 

I was thinking the same thing.

 

AWESOME !!!

8 cylinders or walk

 

The V10 offers an advantage in the old ways of making power, but the new way of making power (e.g. F1 racing) is ultra-high RPMs courtesy of camless engines.

No more timing belts/chains. No more weight from mounting multiple cams. Just a computer and electrovalves.

This permits the dynamic changing of valve timing so that an engine can safely rev above 15,000 RPMs for 24 hours at a time (e.g. Le Mans).

It means that the computer can give you high gas mileage when you are cruising, quick acceleration when you punch the throttle, and high top-end when you are going flat-out.

In the past...in the old days...an engine designer had to pick one goal (e.g. max torque at low/mid RPMs) or else make compromises (e.g. good low end torque and quick revving, but not the most torque and not the fastest revving).

A V10, with no other improvements, would be stuck in that old way of thinking.

On the other hand, moving the camless V8 engines into a production Ferrari would be pretty cool and have far fewer limits.

So rather than adding cylinders and weight, the way to go is to drop the cams and keep the V8.

Bump up the RPMs, not the number of cylinders.

 

I'M GLAD YOU SHOWED UP THIS PUTS THINGS INTO PERSPECTIVE

 

the cars only what 1 1/2 years old? so why bother. we will just have to see how it goes

 

Who needs 10 cylinders when the 2007 Stradale will have 520 Hp with only eight cylinders?

 

Not sure if this has been brought up before. With all the talk of a 430 replacement, due to DOT regulations with the airbag issue, is it possible they'll keep the current 430 bodystyle/platform and up the engine size- like what they did with the 550/575?

In the short time the 430 has been out, there is no way they can create an entire new car that will be improve on the 430 the way they improved on the 360. With a larger displacement engine(maybe a V10?) and a new transmission(599 Superfast?) they could probably get around the DOT issue with a new car, and maybe add a CS to the line to compete with the new 2wd version of the Gallardo?

Again, I apologize if this has been brought up before, if it has I've missed it. It just seems very likely, especially with that 430 'Dino' mule that we've all seen pics of.

What do you guys think?

 

Just look at the history of models and that'll pretty much tell you that they'll be introducing a new car. I saw that a Euro customer who's dealer confirmed the 430CS said that the next car won't be out till '10. Not sure how that fits with the US limitations?

 

Ferrari considers the F430 a "facelift" of the 360. The new car, due late 2008, will be a new platform. It was all explained in the petition for relief from the airbag regs:

"The F430 vehicles for which Ferrari is seeking an exemption were originally designed in the mid-1990s. They were originally designated as the 360 model. The Modena (coupe) version of the 360 was launched in 1999, followed by the Spider (convertible) version in 2000, and the Challenge Stradale in 2003. Production of these models continued until the end of 2004. Shortly thereafter, Ferrari began production of the facelift version, known as the F430. Ferrari plans to produce F430 models until late 2008; at that point, the F430 will be replaced by a newly designed 8-cylinder model."