Dino destoyed near Naples FL

"A 23 year old female in a Honda Accord" hardly sounds like a credible expert. I'm siding with the Dino.

 

Jeez, speeding with a suspended or revoked license and weaving in and out of traffic? He might be a hell of a guy but based on this he's sure willing to put a lot of people including himself at risk. Now he's going to pay a heavy price. Hope he gets through it and learns something in the process.

 

This is a sad happening and I hope for he and his family that he recovers fully and quickly together with anyone else injured in the MVA. This kind of thing should be a reminder to all of us to be careful....Those of you throwing stones at the good Dr. check to be sure you don't live in a glass house. This is a FERRARI chat club....who among us haven't gotten carried away a little on a public highway???...again this should be a reminder, and a lesson, to all of us.

Get well soon Doc.

As a side note I hope they rebuild the Dino....This may be a special challenge and good test car for the Ferrari Classique restoration program.

 

I knew the minute I opened this thread and read the story that it was going to be one of those threads. Thats the thing about typing behind a computer 100s of miles away that it makes some say things they would never say in person. Lets use some common sense and watch we say.

I wish all those involved a full recovery.

 

i suspect that is a very light estimate for parts. i think there coulde easily be $75 k to properly repair...that car is a mess!

i do hope the driver recovers to post on f-chat again.

best,

pcb

 

Very possible, but driving with a suspended license is going to be difficult to explain to the judge (judges and cardiologists have long since learned of limo services, taxicabs, chauffeurs, etc.)...if he survives to make his trial.

Very sad, especially to involve others.

 

First, I hope the people involved in the accident recover from their injuries. I do not personally know anyone involved, but it is a tragic ordeal.
That being said, I am appalled at the contempt many have shown Zannos in this situation. There is a bunch of hearsay from "witnesses" of the accident. How many of them can factually state how fast he was driving? Even in the measuring of the tire tracks by troopers, are they taking into fact the type of tire (XWX) that is likely to be on a 1972 Dino and how it would slide or mark in comparison to a new model tire? These are after all, the same troopers that reported the damage to the Ferrari at 25k and we all know that is nowhere close to accurate. Further, who's to say if he was really weaving or driving recklessly? Everyone notices a Yellow Ferrari in traffic, and their perception of speed and erratic driving can, and usually is easily exaggerated and I would expect many people here know that from a personal experience. Who has information on why his licence was suspended, and if it was for something as miniscule as an Sun-Pass not reading and he never paid the ticket (I had mine suspended because I had moved and never got the notice... things like that do happen without you knowing it) He is a cardiologist, why wouldn't he have gotten a conditional licence if he was aware of the suspension. All these holes in the story plus the fact a Jeep pulled out in front of him while he was traveling in a 65 zone which was surely the cause of the accident and a dangerous move on the Jeep drivers part... also remember he is again driving a vintage Ferrari that surely doesn't react the same way a newer car would. There are too many unanswered questions and disputable witnesses to make a fair judgement and seeing he is a member of this site, and a more importantly human being... I would have expected more compassion.

 

There is plenty of compassion for Zannos, his life-saving profession, and for the people injured in that accident. He clearly made an impact on the people who know him.

But...

Driving on a suspended license is not "hearsay" from witnesses. One must balance compassion so as not to become a rug that is casually walked over...or otherwise enable bad behavior. Have compassion, but don't be blinded by it. Find your yen *and* your yang.

There may well be perfect explanations for all of the details of this incident, too...just keep in mind that a few details **require** further explanation (e.g. driving on a suspended license).

 

80 feet of skid marks for a 72 Dino is right on the money if the car was doing 60-70 mph,definitely not 100 mph as described by a 23 year old Honda driving girlie.
Jeep driving woman was not paying attention (like a lot of SUV driving soccer moms,mostly busy answering/making phone calls),crossed the path of the Dino and is the only guilty party here,regardless of the guy's suspended licence .
Most of the suspensions are for non passing a pollution test anyway.
If he drove a Toyota no one would try to pin any blame on him but Ferrari??!!!
Guilty! just for driving that wretched and dangerous car.
I'm surprised though,that there are so many pricks on this Forum who already passed judgement and wish the worst to that poor guy/victim.

 

WOW !!!

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black

G

 

"Girlie" what do you swing the other way dude?

What part of "driving with a suspended license" can you not understand? If it was a kid driving a Honda that crashed into the FIAT you all would crucify him or a illegal alien driving without a license you would all jump down his throat. But this guy was a supposed educated person who should not have been driving at all .

Need me to dumb it down even further so even someone like yourself can understand?

 

What state suspends driver's licenses for a car failing a smog test? Can you name even one?

 

Ohmygosh! Something bad happened.

Break out the pitchforks and Burn the witch!!!

Jeez people. Despite what your politiscums tell you, sh*t happens.

70 in a 65? Fry 'em. "Way too fast"?

I've seen this personally: I had an Explorer pull directly (6 feet) across the nose of my AllTrac a few years back. Only the new coil-overs, some fast maneuvering, and a handy snow drift to steer into kept me from punching a reinforced, homologated rally car straight through the door of that tissue box SUV. And the driver wasn't wearing her seatbelt, either. (It was that close, that I could see that.)

When I chased her down to ask if she recognized how close to dying she came, she claimed I was going too fast. I was doing 40 in a 45 zone. Because the Explorer pulled out of a 25 mph street, 40 may have looked "fast". But "you're driving too fast" is the knee jerk tirade against anyone, these days. (In fact, the woman watched the mack truck go by, then pulled out without even noticing that there was another car behind the truck.)

Changing lanes? Not "weaving", but "changing lanes". When did that become a bad thing? Was it when we suspended the laws against driving slow in the left lane? ("Keep right except to pass")

Did you look at that map in the article? Golf course city -- FL -- land of driving 20 in the left lane of a 65 zone with the blinker on. Ever driven in FL? If you just snooze along, you get nowhere.

Changing lanes used to be called "steering". Now being in positive control of a vehicle is now "bad", compared to gabbing on the phone and putting along in "the clump"? This is supposed to be the "information age", not the "In Formation age". What kind of riverdancing robotic sheep have we raised?

It sounds like the cops got it right (or at least according to law): the Jeep driver was charged with violating right-of-way: aka she cut him off. The Dino driver was charged with driving on a suspended licence and "careless driving" --

NOTE THAT: not "reckless", but "careless". In many states, you're required to be able to prevent an accident no matter what: so even if you're cut off, being unable to stop is an automatic "careless". You find the same things in aviation regs: If the wing falls off, the pilot was supposed to know that would happen.

This is the Big Brother era: politiscum promise to make all the "bad things" go far far away, so there must be a designated scapegoat when bad things happen anyway.

And the people on this forum are all up on the "two minute hate", ready to burn the scapegoat. Sheesh.

Driving on a revoked license is bad. But revoked for what? Too many tickets for parking in "doctor reserved" spots with the "MD" tags on the other car?

Let's not automagically condem the "Ferrari" owner as a witch, just for not being like all the other cattle.

 

1. Everone agrees we hope and pray that they ALL RECOVER COMPLETELY. No one is wishing harm to any of the occupants of any of the cars. We'd all like to see Zannos at the next FerrariChat get together looking better, felling fine, fully recovered.

2. Zannos was driving on a suspended license. If he'd simply obeyed the law, none of this would have happened as the car would have been in the garage, and he would have been a passenger in someone else's car.

3. Zannos himself on the subject of driving:

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=135186543&postcount=8

The damage to his car is not the result of a 25 mph accident. 50-60 at contact seems more like it. I'm not an expert, but you don't do that kind of damage at 25, even in a 30 year old car. Look at the picture below. Yes, the woman failed to yield so she shares some blame.

My son was in an identical accident at 25 mph last year. Air bags did not go off. He made contact at about the same angle, left 15 feet of skid marks to get from 35 to 25 before the contact, and crinkled a fender on a 10 yr. old Honda Civic, which has much thinner metal than the Dino.

The good Doctor was speeding, skidding 80 feet in an attempt to miss the jeep, the Jeep didn't have time to complete its turn or get out of the way, and then he made HEAVY contact. If he was doing 70, that skid took about a second before he made contact, add 1/2 second of reaction time. If he was doing 100, the whole thing was over in 3/4 second from his seeing the car, hitting the brakes, and hitting the other car. My guess, speed closer to 100.

From the pix, the car is on modern rubber, not XWX's.

I hope they all get better, I hope we haven't rushed to judgement, and I think many of us are being a bit hypocritical. If the Dino had hit your kid's car under the identical circumstances, you'd be calling for his head on a platter.

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Illinois is for one.

 

Regardless of the suspended licence,he did not cause the accident,dummy in that Jeep did.
He was driving "5 miles over the limit and changing lanes",I know that road,most cars there drive 20 mph below the limit,no wonder he had to change lanes (anything illegal here?)
How dumb do you have to be, to link a suspended document to a cause of accident???
And 23 y Honda driving "girlie" is your expert??

 

Alot of people are criticising with no knowledge of the events.

At the right time of the day traffic on 41 can be pretty light. However, many many people in that area appear to have the driving ability of a 2 year old. To be more specific, the average 85 year old Delray Beach driver has about twice the ability of the average Naples driver. In my experiance on 41, if there are 10 cars in a given mile on 41 and the speed limit is 65, 5 will be going around 65, 3 will be going about 55 and 1 will be going 45. The four slow cars will spread out across the three lanes so the 10th car (you) will be forced to change lanes to get through them or slow to their speed. This may not be the case here, but I wouldn't be so quick to judge especially if you haven't driven in this frustrating area.

There is a real simple way to get your drivers license suspended in FL. Get caught in one of the many speeding traps in the Naples area going a few MPH over. Give the ticket to a traffic attorney. The attorney let's the ticket "slip through the cracks". The state suspends your license. You will not get any notice for a real long time, if ever. That's not to say this is what happened here, but it's real possible.

Hard to tell the speed of impact from a picture especially when the car is an old mid engine car. Who knows how easily these cars crush in the front without any appreciable mass in the front compunded by the fact it hit an SUV. Where's the picture of the SUV? Maybe it only had a few marks on the bumper.

As said before, maybe the guy was rushing to the hospital to save a life. Then again mybe he's just a dangerous driver. I think it's dumb to judge without knowing the facts.

And all the responders here ready to judge should be sentenced to a week of driving in Naples. Then see how you feel.

 

First - I hope Zannos is ok and anyone hurt recovers quickly.

Second - as one who also drives a vintage Ferrari, I am focussed on the tire and brake issue. Although I think I agree w/ Dave that the tires in that picture look to be modern and not XWXs (XWXs more than about 5 years old are like ******* ice skates - ask me how I know), you have to perform a fundamental brain shift when you get into a performance car that is 35 years old. The difference in brake technology from then to now is tremendously different - you can't get into a Dino and expect it to stop like your new BMW 5-series. No ABS in 1972.

this is no criticism of Zannos. Unless the Dino was his daily driver, a typical vintage Ferrari owner only drives, what, maybe 5% or less of all his weekly miles in the Ferrari? In a panic braking situation, most of us are simply not going to consciously adapt to the fact that the situation calls for a different braking method than you would employ in your modern daily driver. I give extremely wide berth to cars in front of me when I'm in my 1968 Ferrari - it is a fact that I cannot stop as quickly as the car in front of me.

Again, I hope Zannos will be ok. Tears for possibly the most beautiful Ferrari ever made.

 

I thought I was on knitting chat for a second, all the PC crap about driving too fast and the reckless Ferrari driver. Face it some dumb broad in a Jeep didn't look or was distracted and pulled out directly in his path, happens all the time this time resulted in an accident.

A few have passed judgement of his license situation, a simple non pay of a expired tag will get your license revoked today unlike the past it took racking up of points so we don't know the whole story behind his license.

 

Thanks to those who see, as I did after reading....

It's 'Failure to Yield' on the part of the Jeep, which is legalese for "pulling out into the path of an oncoming vehicle"....he was travelling in the main lanes and she was ATTEMPTING to turn (North?) in front of him...

I have also been a victim of a similar manuever, and as I got out of the rolled vehicle (missing the impact thankfully) the Officer said "Nice try, but we'll call your response 'Faulty Avoidance'"

*sigh*

You do the best you can....

Get well soon, these lil' cars are no match for the larger modern trucks/SUVs......

 

I wish the driver, who apparently is a good guy who made a bad decision, well.

More importantly, take the total number of Dino's and reduce by one. Everyone else's Dino's just went up in value (not meaning to be morbid, but with every car destroyed, the remaining become more rare hence more valueable).

I like the fact that it was called Ferrari, after 25 years, the Dino finally "made it".

James in Denver

 

Thats what I say, Most likey more. With the way that the passenger door is warpped, wouldn't suprise me if the frame was bent. Hope everyone envolved makes a speedy recovery.

 

Every single accident report in the European news involving a sports car has one or two witnesses saying: "He was going at least 200 km per hour!".

Similarily, when I read about accidents in the U.S, the "expert" witness usually says: "He was going at least 100 miles per hour!".

These "expert estimates" are in my opinion wrong 100% of the time. Interesting that Europeans usually exagerate 25% more. The magic of those round numbers...

Julio

 

Seriously?

That doesn't make sense. If your car fails a test is the license immediately suspended so that you are not allowed to even drive a rental while the car is being corrected at a shop?

I always thought you just didn't get a tag for that car or something until it was fixed.

 

if you read the article carefully the Troopers state he was going in excess of 70 mph in a 65. Maybe he was doing 71 mph.

FL allows you to do 30 over the posted speed before you are forced before a Judge or for Reckless driving so neither of those seem to be present here

The witness who said Zanos was doing at least 100 mph was a 23 yr old chick in a Honda Accord. How credible is she? How does she even know what a car doing 100 looks like ? Does she have any police training that would teach her this ?

Sounds like the paper ran w the most outrageous statement by an ignorant witness