All This Talk is Heresay! Without the facts..... What any civilized person would need to know is previous driving record.... How many tickets in past 3 years? Any Criminal record? THIS is what the Judge will ask for first and for good reason. Then lets see how many of you change your opinions after that!
good to know he is doing better. sucks about the Dino, i hope he has coverage to replace the car. i doubt it would be worth even attempting to fix. get well soon Zannos.
After reading the past 5 pages - some of my thoughts: First, I'd like to wish him a speedy recovery! It is certainly a terrible tragedy to have to go through! RE: Suspended license and "one day late paying ticket" - gezz, don't you have at least 45 days to mail in your fine? Certainly, possible traveling, the restaurant business, and his medical practice have kept his plate full. So, I can see how it could have been an oversight. On the other hand, he is a highly educated man, and being a doctor, he should be used to having everything scheduled and organized. In fact, he probably has an accounting person that pays his bills every month. So, I think that's a lame excuse that he was only one day late. It obviously was not that much of a priority to him becuase he had a lackadaisical attitude about paying the ticket and the importance of preserving his driving privilege. Also, while someone mentioned a "parking ticket" - we don't know if, in fact, it was or it has a major speeding ticket - not that it changes the outcome of the suspension, but it does provide a clue if he is a habitual speeder. ( I'm not judging as I admit that I am) RE: his car - generally his insurance will deny paying due to him driving on a suspended license. However, that doesn't matter because the woman was at fault, and IF she is adequatedly insured, her policy is liable. However, that doesn't mean her insurance company won't use the other stuff against him to fight payment. Plus, it looks pretty totaled to me - the frame is bent! So, now comes the fight on payoff market value. Bottom line - I would not want to be in his situation right now! - physically or mentally. I feel bad for him, but we all have lessons to learn about taking personal responsibility in our daily life matters. Let this be a lesson to all that read this not to take things for granted and become complacent in our matters. My players are with him, his wife, and children. I wish them the best!
Ron, I think there's been some confusion; Zannos' wife was not in the car with him at the time of the accident.
Sorry, my misunderstanding - I quickly read the part "the woman was in serious condition" and thought that was his wife they were taking about. My bad! I'll edit my previous post...
I thought the article said he was cited for careless driving too. When both parties are at fault it gets to be tough to determine liability.
Very sad. However, I think that Bryan has said it best. Many of us when we drive a vintage car (or motorcycle) forget how good modern cars are. The sad reality is that older cars are very unforgiving compared to modern wheels. Here's hoping for a speedy recover to all, regardless of fault. Dale
Being a 41 year old Doctor I can tell you your life tends to be chaotic, you work hard (like a dog often), and the days roll by at an amazing pace. We typically do not have "accounting people" take care of our bills automatically....like some Rock Star...are you kidding me. I can easily see a minor ticket being thown onto a stack of "things to get around to" on the breakfast bar....just like my house. Hardly "criminal" behavior in my book. I have driven Rt 41 many a countless hour. You have to "lane change" ("weaving" is such a loaded term) to maintain your sanity. Every idiotic driver in the country drives there and blocks lanes as they try to decide which buffet to pull into. Many vacationers are putting along lost changing lanes at a moments notice themselves. If you don't drive aggressively you will be plowed into. My guess is he was cruising along, feeling his oats, and driving agressively....hardly an offense worth the punishment he has received, and not worth the recrimination he has received by a number of you losers on th is board. If you have no feeling for him, then how about his 5 kids! Some of the posts here are so horrible and callous, they will haunt those posters for soem time to come. If you weren't there how can you feel qualified to comment on his behavior and the "merit" of what "he got?" So baffling it is beyond comrehension, and shows a real lack of discriminating thinking (ie: weak and flabby neurons). Quick and full recovery mate. edit: The majority of my comments are not directed at you Ogolden1, just used your quote about the "accounting people" to get started. Your post was more even handed than many. edit#2: Reread and noticed numerous typos, sorry, but can't bothered to fix them all.
As one who drives older cars I believe that many forget just how bad the brakes in these cars are compared with modern cars. I also think many forget just how fragile these cars are. It does seem that the jeep was a major factor in causing this accident but when I drive my old cars I am hyper aware that there are many drivers who can and will act like this and I always try to remember to drive accordingly. I hope everyone has a full recovery and that all of us who drive these older cars as The Kinks said remember to "be always on your guard..."
Few months back I drove a friend's old Mini with drum brakes... was like trying to stop the car by dragging my feet on the ground.
I hope eveyone makes a full recovery, That is a beautiful Dino and it would break my heart to crash my car. The problem driving a Ferrari as it was meant to be driven is that the other guy. I would think that anyone on this list could have been in a similar situation. I have 3 conditions for safe driving at any speed: 1. Be aware of your surroundings and driving conditions 2. Be aware of the limits of your driving ability 3. Be aware of the limitations of your automobile The lack of respect for any of these can lead to disaster. That said in a state where OJ walks free, this man in my eyes is innocent until proven guilty. Rob
dumb b!tch in a jeep talking on her cellphone. sHe got what she deserved!!! Thankfully she didn't kill anyone. Don't feel a bit sorry for people who risk others safety for their own stupidness!!! Should have NOT been on the road to begin with.. I've got a rod and screws in my leg from a b!tch just like her.
No doubt about the hectic, chaotic part! I guess I should have said "bookeeper" - most small businesses have an "accounting person" or "bookeeper" to take care of billing statements, accts receivables, accounts payable, credit and debit ledgers, etc. and I know you need one if you own a restaurant. Also, if he has his own practice, he would need one. But, if he works for a hospital he probably just gets a W-2. I didn't take it that way, but thanks for mentioning it. Take care.
I hope all involved make a full recovery, including the Dino. My 2¢: 1. Carbon, thank you for the update on Zanno's condition. When you speak to him next, please wish him well for me. 2. Making judgements based on a newspaper article vs. a police report is a bad idea. 3. I think the skid mark in the picture was post-impact. It appears to be a single mark, most likely caused by the passenger side front wheel which had been jammed in the wreck. If this is the "80 foot skid" then it is not indicative of very high speed as it is a single wheel dragging rather than the proper breaking action of the car. 4. Counter to Bryan P.'s comments: if the Jeep pulled out just feet in front of the Dino, even today's most current technology would not have significantly altered the situation (Note: I general I agree with Bryan anf Jim G.'s statements about driving vintage cars!). 3. We do not know if Zannos was 'weaving' or if he was making proper lane changes. 4. In response to those putting much weight on the suspended lisence issue: In NJ, your license will be suspended for failing to pay a parking ticket on time. 5. Rt 41 stinks (I was on it last week). 6. Considering the current price of Dinos; the car is probobly economically repairable. However, it will take a brave soul - I remember what happened when Dave M.'s detailer put a ding in the front of his Dino... 3. It seemed to me that the 23 year old girl was behind the Jeep; I'm curious how that would have effected her perception of the events. Regards, Art S.
I really hate to sound so crass, but some of your people are really pathetic. Do you jump to conclusions like this and make equally idiotic judgements with your kids when something happens? I changed insurance companies quite some years ago. The prior company had some fine print clause that whenever your policy lapses they notify your state DMV that your driving un-insured. I get some notice in the mail from DMV with same envelope for registration reminder, ignored it and put it aside. Ive done nothing wrong, no worries. Next I have this flatfoot cop putting handcuffs on me, impound my license plates, and tow my car away. I was actually able to get the previous company to pay all the fees including paying for new plates. So just because some left wing newspaper with a hardon for some capitalist in a Ferrari uses phases like suspended license and speeding, I would think most of you naysayers would be bright enough to blink a few times and think this through before you stick your foot in your mouth. Driving a Ferrari is not a crime. Having your DL suspended is not always a criminal offense, and rarely has anything to do with your ability to drive. Passing is not illegal. Laying down 80 feet of rubber to stop a vintage car is not a good indicator of speed. It could easily have come off a rear tire with offset brake bias. While substantial, the damage to the car is not from that high of speed, 30 mph max differential. 23 year old girls are a lot better at many other things besides calculating how fast some guy in a yellow Ferrari was going. Exhaust notes alone make you sound fast. Women driving SUV's are extreamly dangerous drivers and will turn in front of a semi truck if they think they wont get creamed. I hope all parties are doing well. The rest is just steel and glass, and that can be repaired.
The damage to the car indicates the collision occurred at a much lower speed than 100 mph. If it had been a 100 mph collision, there wouldn't be much left of the car.
I am going to join in with those who have expressed their surprise at those who have condemned one of our own without knowing all of the facts. I remember when two active members died on the Nurburgring and our community reacted with compassion and understanding. While there were questions raised about the cause of the accident, there was no condemnation of the driver. Does one of our members have to die before we give him the courtesy of not prejudging him before all the facts are in? Whether his license was revoked or not is meaningless. If he was stopped at a red light and hit by a dump truck, would those who condemn him for driving with a revoked license still want to raise the license issue to somehow blame him for being rear ended while stopped at a red light? Right now we only have fragmented stories from two witnesses as reported in the Southwest Florida News-Press web site. We dont know if these witnesses actually said what they are being quoted as saying or whether it is their complete story. Apparently, other vehicles were involved in the collision. Did they account for additional damage to the Dino and what do these drivers say. As a trial lawyer, it always amazes me that the more witnesses there are to a collision, the more often it becomes harder to figure out what really happened. Eyewitness testimony is often the most unreliable testimony. The only thing that you can count on as being even more unreliable is what is reported in the newspaper. Lets give our Ferrari brother a break and wait until we learn a little more before we condemn the man. Instead of lighting our torches and marching on his house, I suggest we light a couple of candles and wish for the speedy and full recovery of both drivers.
Lloyd expressed exactly what I wanted to say. We have one of our own injured along with another person. I wish them both a speedy recovery and lets wait untill Zannos can speak for himself before passing judgement. We could just as easily have lost him in this case. On the license, If he paid the fine he may not have realized that it would/ had been suspended. And It was noted that he had been out of the country lately and may not have sorted through the pile of mail sitting on the desk. Let's not harp on it too much, we all forget to do something that we need to once in a while. On the alleged speed, Bright yellow Ferrari's automatically look like they are going twice as fast as they are. Don't they? On the individual who pulled out in front of him, I wish her a speedy recovery and enough insurance to pay his med bills an either the repairs or full market value of the car. Again, Zannos here is to wishing you a speedy and full recovery.
First let me say I hope all are well that were in this unfortunate accident. Accidents do happen and sometimes they are caused by one or both parties involved doing something they weren't supposed to. We really don't know enough of the facts in the case to pass judgement. I agree with Birdman that I wish they didn't say it was a Ferrari, because I also think the idea is that rich guys in fast cars, Blah, Blah, Blah. But to another point that I feel is all too common. I am a member of the press who works for a fairly large daily newspaper. Please lighten up on the press. Because of the press we got out of Vietnam and may eventually get out of Iraq and bring home hundreds of thousands of our children before more are killed or mutilated. Now off my soapbox. I am a photojournalist and have had to cover hundreds, maybe thousands of accident scenes over the last 30 years. Most of the information a good reporter puts in the paper about an accident comes straight out of the mouth of the police. Reporters are required to build the story around the police statement. Most of the time a press release is e-mailed to the reporter and parts of it are stated word for word in the paper. As far as the witnesses are concerned a friend on the local State Police force does accident reconstruction and tells me privately that the intensity of the horrific crash scene makes most witnesses exagerate the speed. I have a 308 GTB and cannot say I always obey the speed limit but never speed in traffic. Where I work in DElaware constantly driving on I-95 maybe 2-3 hours every day, I can honestly say that less then 1 out of 50 cars does the posted 55. If they do the traffic will be backed up for miles. The average speed , IMO is over 70 in a 55. I see more accidents in a year then most will see in a lifetime and they are always a huge tragedy no matter who is at fault. I personally wish I never saw another.
