Best 'Ring Time

I think the all time record might be by Niki Lauda, im not sure.

 

If you really went around the ring you would remember your precise lap time.

 

Who was driving ? I doubt anyone unless a Ring pro could do a 7.50 lap..

 

There was a video of a Porsche on here awhile back. I thinkit was touted as a record setting lap by a street Porsche. I'm not sure about the last though.

Bob Wassam

 

7:06.4 Clay Reggazoni in a Ferrari was the F1 record
6:26.91 D. Bell/S. Bellof - Porsche 956 Sportscar

http://213.239.207.198/nuerbur...?&L=1

 

Doubt it
Here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times

 

BS!

 

I'm certainly not an expert on the 'Ring, but I've done a good bit of track driving in race and street cars. I'm curious why if the 430 street car can do it in 7:55 (as reported in the last posted link), 7:50 in a 360 Challenge is deemed "BS" or doubtful. Admittedly, there are a number of variables that we don't know (driver, prep, set-up, light fuel load, tires, etc.), but 7:50 for a 360 Challenge (not a Stradale, mind you, but a full Challenge car, according to the OP), does not seem to be that far out of the realm of possibility.

I know we all take things written on here with a grain of salt, but at an academic comparison level, the 360 Challenge (with slicks) might be significantly faster around the 'Ring than a 430 street car (with street tires). It certainly won't have the grunt over the 430 in the straights, but around the corners, the Challenge car would likely be significantly faster. Also, the Challenge car would be lighter than the street car.

Anyone have more info?

CW

 

No F430 on here but it should give you some idea. The CS time is 7:56. I cannot verify the accuracy of this list.. There are some missing off the top as well.

7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche GT3 RS, stock but Pirelli P Zero Corsa, Mattias Ekblom (ams)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (Autobild 07/04)
7:41 --- 160.868 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp (AutoBild 07/04) , www.manthey-motors.de/nextshopcms/cmspdf.asp?id=217
7:42* -- 160.519 km/h - Ford GT 40, 550 PS/ 1521 kg (*as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Mosler MT900S Photon, Joao Barbosa, (04) (according to dailysportscar.net)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Radical 1500 SR3, 230 PS/510 kg (02)
7:42.9 - 160.207 km/h -- Corvette Z06, 500 PS / 1319 kg, Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05)
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Roehrl (MOTOR magazine)
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- TechArt Porsche GT Street, 620 PS/1453 kg, (sport auto 08/02)
7:43.5 - 160,000 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 02)
7:44 --- 159.828 km/h -- Pagani Zonda C12 S, 555 PS/1388 kg (sport auto 07/02)
7:45 --- 159.484 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600, 600hp (00)
7:45* -- 159.484 km/h -- McLaren F1, *estimated lap time from a video available at www.pistonheads.tv
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/01)
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Jaguar XJ220, John Walton (EVO magzine 07/00), www.jwhubbers.nl/ring/docs/evo-0007-7.jpg
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652hp (sport auto 99)
7:47 --- 158.801 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381hp (sport auto 03/04)
7.49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche GT3, 392hp (AutoBild 2004), www.autobild.de/tuning/testberichte/artikel.php?artikel_id=7274&artikel_seite=4
7:49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup, 360 PS/1207 kg (sport auto 02/99)
7:49.72 157.885 km/h -- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne (93) (moto bike)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- BMW E46 M3 CSL (sport auto 08/03)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Blitz Supra, 750hp, Herbert Schuerg (97)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/02)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Westfield Super 7 with Hayabusa engine, >>> http://nurburgring.free.fr/Vids/Bren_Westi...vx504_1_350.avi
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- BMW M5 (E60), 507 PS/1844 kg, >>> http://www.rhein-main.net/sixcms/detail.pP...topic_id=731907
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (sport auto 95)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (sport auto 12/03)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (sport auto 06/04)
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582bPS/1678kg, (sport auto 03/05)
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 (sport auto 06/03)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h -- Caterham R500 Superlight, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/00)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale, 425 PS/1387 kg (sport auto 02/04)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/00)
7:56* -- 155.798 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z05 ,company chief engineer Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:56.73 155.569 km/h -- Honda NXC-R (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion", lap not completed)
7:57 --- 155.472 km/h -- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600PS/1558 kg (sport auto 05/98)
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting "Performance", (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
7:59* -- 154.822 km/h -- Chevrolet C6 Z51, company test driver Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, Dirk Schoymans (Autocar magazine 97)
8:01.72 153.984 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:02 --- 154.338 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting "Sport", (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 04)
8:03 --- 153.540 km/h - Aston Martin V8 Vantage, 385 PS/1636 kg, Pirelli P Zero Corsa (sport auto 10/05)
8:03 --- 153.540 km/h -- Porsche 911 GT3, 360 PS/1391 kg (sport auto 08/99)
8:04 --- 153.223 km/h -- Lamborghini Diablo GT, 575 PS/1620 kg (sport auto 07/00)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Ferrari 575M Maranello F1, 580 PS/1820 kg (sport auto 12/02)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM settino "Standard", Walter Roehrl (WHEELS 06/04)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, 355PS/1461kg (sport auto 05/05)8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Ruf CTR, www.lad.lv/~martini/porsche/Videos/RUF-CTR_Nurburgring1.wmv
8:06 --- 152.592 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (sport auto 04/02)
8:06.01 152.589 km/h -- Subaru WRX Sti C-spec (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:07 --- 152.279 km/h -- Ferrari 550 Maranello, 485 PS/1724 kg (sport auto 06/98)
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Honda NSX-R, 320 PS/1467 kg (sport auto 08/02)
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Modena , 400 PS/1464 kg (sport auto 10/99)
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Lamborghini Diablo SV, 520 PS/1590 kg (sport auto 12/97)
8:10 --- 151.114 km/h -- Aston Martin V8 Vantage (Top Gear 02/05)
8:10 --- 151.114 km/h -- Chrysler Viper GTS, 411 PS/1567 kg (sport auto 10/97)
8:10 --- 151.347 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 180R, 210 PS/650 kg (sport auto 03/01)
8:11 --- 151,274 km/h -- Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX (Best Motoring video 14)
8:11* -- 151,274 km/h -- Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1340 kg, test driver Walter Roehrl (*mfr.) (sport auto 07/05)
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG, 476 PS/1651 kg (sport auto 04/02)
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo (sport auto 03/97)
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo works tuning (sport auto 06/97)
8:33 --- 150.426 km/h - Aston Martin V8 Vantage, 385 PS/1636 kg, Bridgestone Potenza RE 50 (sport auto 10/05)
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- BMW M5 (E60), 507 PS/1844 kg (sport auto 12/04)
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- Lotus Esprit Sport 350, 354 PS/1324 kg (sport auto 05/99)
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- Dodge Viper SRT-10, 506 hp (sport auto, 10/04)
8:14 --- 150.120 km/h -- Mercedes SL 65 AMG, 612 PS/2049 kg (sport auto 01/05)8:14.98 149.824 km/h -- Mitsubishi Carisma Evo VIII GSR MR 8 (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Alpina Roadster S, 300 PS/1416 kg (sport auto 6/05)8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Corvette C6, 404 PS/1491 kg (sport auto 08/05)
8:15* -- 149.818 km/h -- Holden GTS (00), *estimated
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera 2 (Walter Roehrl - WHEELS 06/04)
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Ruf 911 CTR 2, 520 hp
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 PS (sport auto 11/97)
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer V8 Topster, 450 PS/1557kg (sport auto 01/05)
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- Aston Martin DB9, 457hp (sport auto 11/04)
8:16.15 149.471 km/h -- Honda NSX (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:17 --- 149.215 km/h -- Aston Martin V12 Vanquish, 515 PS/1775 kg (sport auto 01/03)
8:17 --- 149.215 km/h -- Porsche 911 Carrera, 320 PS/1399 kg (sport auto 06/01)
8:17 --- 149.215 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera 2, 320 PS/1399 kg (sport auto 02/01)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- BMW Z8, 400PS/1651 kg (sport auto 08/00)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z05 Commemorative Edition, 344 PS (sport auto 09/2003)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 06/97)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- Maserati GranSport, 400 PS/1672 kg (sport auto 09/05)
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- Audi RS6, 400 PS/ 1815 kg (sport auto 03/01)
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- BMW M3 E36, 321 hp (Autocar magazine 1997)
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- Porche 993 GT3, Walter Roehrl (Car magazine 10/99)

 

He was either flying or lying, it the record for a car magazine is 7:56.

 

How much, if any, time penalty would you suggest due to the fact that the CS in this thread was supposedly driven with a passenger in the car?

 

I'm sick of the BS that goes on in this forum. Good bye.

 

Ok

 

Carrera GT 7:32, Pagani Zonda F 7:32, ???

 

I was a passenger in a 996 GT3RS driven by an ex FIA GT championship driver at the 'ring a couple of years back - we filmed the lap (allegedly) and watching the vid we recorded a 8min 32secs gate to gate (near enough a lap, and with speed up and slow down). This was the driver's 4th ever lap around the circuit, and when we finished up he decided it was his favourite circuit - better than the win he got at Spa.

Ben.

 

people, dont forget there are different layouts of the track.
Nordschliefe
Nordschliefe+Full GP Track
Nordschliefe+Shortened GP Track

 

I have been driving at the Ring since the early 80's and in later years made it a point to clarify this question by asking a few "residents" drivers. A couple of years ago, I was again told by Sabine (Schmitz of Ring Taxi fame) that all the serious recorded (listed) times were done on the NordSch. only, excluding the GP track.

 

So, it would seem that it is not possible to compare apples to apples?

CW

 

To the best of my knowledge the fastest road legal production car on the ring is the Radical SR8 driven by Michael Vergers(28/9/05). In road legal trim and riding on Dunlop Direnza tyres he lapped the 13-mile Nordschleife circuit in just 6 minutes 55 seconds, knocking 20 seconds off the previous best!
See this link: http://www.radicalextremesportscars.com/news_folder/nord0905/index.php
Ciao
Eugenio

 

Someone needs to take a 355 back and better that time. I feel slighted and may need to sell my car in shame.

 

As I understand it the Germans of course do not recognise this record because the car was not certified by TUV as legally road registrable in Germany despite it being registered in another EU state !

 

Lets just ask the most obvious question. Pictures. Who goes to the Ring and doesnt snap a single photo???

MOST IMPORTANTLY: who goes to the Ring and doesnt take a picture of themselfs and their time ticket, or the car, or SOMETHING...

BS - unless a picture is shown




Regards

 

I'm not too clear what you are challenging here but its not a drag strip so there are no print-outs supplied and most drivers tend to be too busy negotiating the quaint little curves for 14 miles to take pictures......

 

Very true, but it is a technicality. The Radical could (if so desired) get there on its own steam and leave the same way. That means road legal to me.
Ciao
Eugenio