Bob Rapp's Enzo for sale (With new Engine)

NNO what are those states and numbers at the bottom of your posts?

 

nice avatar (its my pic)

 

Not True. Problem was fan relay which was recalled and replaced. Relay failed, fans didn't come on engine overheated in a heartbeat and c'est ca.

Richard's was pulling fine when he lost it and it had 20K+ miles. Mine isn't quite yet at that milage but it's fine and pulls hard to the point that the bodywork touches the tires on the banking. As a matter of fact it pulls so fine that I'll soon be needing new tires...

 

Jim, I know we have talked about this before, but why have so many Enzo's needed new engines, I was talking to a tech during the sumer, and he said the numbers ware like 30-35 US cars had the engines replced due to the same reasons listed above?

 

Jim, I am certainly NOT in posistion to question you, but the information I received was from multiple techs and from a dealer principal that said the Enzo's engine had a design and material defect in the valve train.

I was told of at least 5 Enzo's that had new engines installed, I was never told it was an overheat issue.

I do not know if the reason the Yellow Enzo had the engine replaced was due to the the valve train issue or an overheat issue.

You know I have great respect for your opinion, I am only repeating the information I got first hand.

Perhaps it is more of an isolated issue...

 

I'm in even less of a position to question either of you, but, for some reason I can't help but think 131319's engine replacement was due to a valve issue. For whatever reason, I remember looking at the eBay auction a while back and reading that it was due to a valve issue. I could be wrong, but, it just sounds right to me. Perhaps Rifledriver knows more?

 

anyone notice the auction isn't there anymore?

 

Welcome aboard Stretch. Great story. Yes only owning model Ferraris is just fine. It is the enthusiasm of the cars that matters. Keep the enthusiasm up and believe you can own one and one day you just might find yourself in your own Ferrari. Just be cool to others when you do!

Alexander

 

Isn't this actually Steve Wynn's car?

I saw this tripple black Enzo over two years ago when I lived in Orange County, California. It was at that plaza on PCH before you get to Laguna Beach. I forget the name of that place but you can see all kinds of cars there on Saturday mornings. I know the one I saw was Steve Wynn's although obviously he can't drive it sense he is legally blind.

Anyway the car is awesome. I would certainly pay the $1.3 million for it, although my first choice is yellow.

 

It is not Steve Wynn's, as it was sold a year or more ago, and from what I hear, hit by a drunk driver, which caused significant damage to it (hear say btw, not known fact). I do not know who the owner of this car is, but its not the dealer.

 

Didn't know he sold it but it makes sense. If it got hit by a truck that would certainly suck. Damn I think an Enzo would be a good investment. Too many are being wrecked!

 

Think about it this way. The engine is 200K. Labor is more. 399 Enzo's. If there was an issue with the valve train that meant the engines were going to go and Ferrari knew about it they'd do a recall before they faced that liability and make no mistake about it if there was an inherent defect that they were aware of they'd be libel even if the warranty had expired. These engines can overheat in a heartbeat without fans and if they do massive damage ensues which could cause anything including valve train damage. Racing versions of this engine have won the 24 hours of SPA.

Others??? Rifle Driver?

 

200K for an engine! wow!





I deffinately think that Ferrari would have done a recall if they knew that it would be an issue. The reason the engines had to be replaced, for me, is pretty unknown. My best educated guess would be pushing the car to hard for too long, but then again like you said versions of the engine have one the 24 Hrs. Of SPA.

 

Welcome aboard! Ownership is not a requirement, enthusiasm is..seems like you'd be a great fit here. BTW, Rapp's old Enzo is owned by a fellow FChatter on the opposite coast. The original engine went due to a loose valve spring. The car currently has around 6500 miles on it.

 

wow... i think if i had anyhting close to a ferrari collection, i would rather have them instead of one enzo. i wonder why he's selling it?

 

So this yellow/tan enzo is no longer for sale?

 

It has not been for quite some time. As previously mentioned a fellow FChatter owns the car and is not selling it.

 

I got the car in September and have put 1200 miles on it, the clutch failed see the Shop Pics thread. While it was in the shop the stearing box Failed! I love the car and am getting another. Have a good one! JOHN

 

IIRK it was a cracked valve spring that sent the lump back to Italy.

 

Caused by a defective valve spring? Replacing Valve springs isn't a big deal.
Risking a 200K+ claim for that doesn't make sense. I'll ask again. Anyone else??

Also someone said 35 Enzo Engines. That's almost 10% of them. In checking I can't find 35 failures? That would be a 7 million dollar loss!?

 

Per a post by Lolaman back in August:

I think the 35 number is a bit high. Rifle may know more though.

 

Even though the serial numbers between chassis and motors do not match, those numbers are known by Ferrari. When one obtains a heritage certificate on their car, it has the engine serial number I believe. My 308 has an engine that was switched by the factory as part of a recall for excessive oil burning in early 2V 308s.... They sent a brand new engine over from Italy and the dealer put it in when the car was 1.5 years old.... I wouldn't think that I would be penalized on value.... At the same time, even though the serial numbers between the chassis and motor do not match, they are known and so it can be determined that it is not the original engine and in theory, that could affect value though I doubt it in my case and in the case of this Enzo.... especially in the case of the Enzo because of scarcity of the cars in the first place...

 

Many 308's had their engine changed. (Mine did) My TR engine lunched when the timing belt went under warranty but that one they had the dealer fix. As an aside I've always found Ferrari to be fair regarding warranty claims.

 

Even my lowly 1982 Mondial 8 had her engine changed by the factory - for excessive oil burn - it had about 30k miles on it at the time. The service book has a notation about the change. Cheers, geo