Im excited to see what comes of the kit, best of luck.
WE NEED PICTURES!!!! I see a supercharged Blue Mondial in my wife's future! Wait a minute, her Ferrari will be faster than mine. Oh well, I still get to drive it. Any idea of kit price? Birdman
About Kit price - Its a little early to tell as the fist one is not yet completed so we are still accumulating hours and parts costs. Our target is something one a par with the Porsche kits we make and sell... between $5900 to $6400, maybe a little more. I am definately not a fan of the "Ferrari markup" Variables include: now we have found its better to move the CIS fuel supply/return lines out of the way... and making new ones in Stainless braided hose reuired I find and import the fittings from the UK. Read $$. But worth it. Better fuel lines, and sexy looking to. I am mandral-bending the air intake to the SC out of Aluminum tube and polishing it. Not sure what that is going to come in price-wise. I know you need pictures - I am anxious to supply. The owner of the car has first dibs - but here are some I can release now. That bottom picture may be a little puzzling. Its a picture of the steel inner SC mounts in our powder-coat baking oven. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
As I have said before - some of the 308/Modial/328's have 3 belts for their auxillary items (alternator, AC and Water Pump) and some have only two. This changes the crankshaft pulley, and in turn, the supercharger pulley as well. Our challenge was to design around it so we could produce one kit that fits all models and iterations (2v heads, 4v heads). If we failed at this, the price would go yet higher as basically you would have to produce 2 different kits for an even smaller installation segement. If we succeed at this, it means we can have 1 production for a kit that fits all - the installation number goes up and costs per kit go down. I believe we have succeeded. BTW: we like making the inner-mounts out of steel because they will not work-harden and fatigue crack like an aluminum mount will. We do use aluminum for the outer mounts - but they are not subject to the same stresses. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Looking good! I'll tell you what, a bolt-on solution using the stock injection and no major engine work in the price range you are talking is going to sell. I am predicting a bunch of very friggin fast 308s and Mondials in the next few years!! Birdman
The cold air intake tubes are finished - here they are after manufacturing but before painting, then powder-coated and ready to be baked, and then after they come out of the baking oven. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
No - this kit is not designed to work on carburated cars. Most SC installs with carbs use a pull-through design, not a blow-thru design like this. The carburator is moved in front of or before the supercharger. You CAN blow through a carburator - but you have to either disassemble it and o-ring and seal every shaft for pressure, or build a pressure box to house the entire carburator. This is why it isn't commonly done.
Looks like crush bends on the intake tubes....any way you could do these with mandrel bending, or would it not make much of a difference? VERY interesting kit, I think you will find a good market for this.
I understand that the webbers are ok for blow through applications as long as the boost doesn't get too crazy.
The thought of blowing a Mondial is absolutely wonderful. The sound of the rotors off idle....sounds bullet proof. I will watch with baited breath
If the carb holds vacuum, it will hold a similar pressure, so you can do it. It's more a safety issue than anything else. Normally the carb is in vacuum and if anything is going to leak, it leaks in. In a blow through, the carb is pressureized and if a float sticks or a gasket is bab, fuel leaks or more likely sprays out onto the hot engien....and we all know how much 308s like that. A draw-though is the safest way to use carbs. The next best is a pressure box around them, which isn't too hard to make.
Heh heh heh....I'll leave that one alone. But the idea of a 400 HP Mondial that can keep up with a 355 and waste 348s sounds pretty exciting!! Birdman
This is looking good! In fact, the prototype Mondial you are working on is the exact same model as mine.
Here's another supercharged Mondial: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=118239 and http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123189
The Supercharged Mondial was out for road tests this weekend and doing very well. She behaved like a whole new car - the difference was amazing. We are now in the "tuning" stage of developing the kit - I need to make certain we can fuel all the air we supply so that we can deliver a SC bolt-on kit that is safe for your motor without mods. So - we are swapping pulleys, making small adjustments to the tune, and running many, many air-fuel sampling tests at every RPM range. When we get a combination of pulleys and settings that fuel to 7000 rpm then I am ready to go to the dyno. I'll post that (of course) when we do. I expect to be at the dyno in 10 days or less. Then the final stage: writing the installation manual and editing all the pictures we have taken starts. I have written installation manuals for SC kits for 5 different Porsche engine combinations - I know what a labor that can be. Samples of my supercharger installation manuals are downloadable from our website. Here are a few pics to tide you by while you wait... and thank you for your continued interest. Carl 928 Motorsports www.928motorsports.com Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
I can't wait to see some dynos on this thing! The best thing about this kit is that it's perfect for the 2 valve injected cars which need power. All the sudden, a 1980-82 308/Mondial (most anemic of the bunch) can have as much power as a 348!! Bolt on 100 HP!!! Get a beater 2 valve on eBay, put a SC in it and you have a sleeper for your next Fcar meet!!!! Carl, I volunteer to test it on a 4 valve Mondial for you. Factory test program! Birdman
System looks very nice. I had the same idea as you birdman, wouldn't ordinarily look at a Mondial 8 but now looks a lot more interesting and they can be had for a lot less than the QV's especially in coupe form. I've actually been looking for one, would like to have a F-car the whole family can fit into. A bit off topic, where can the red air intake hose? Is that silicon or another material. I'm looking to change out my black hose as it's looking a bit shabby and the red would be nice looking under the hood. Jeff
The same thing happend to the Porsche 928 after we started making SC kits for them. The early 928, with only 219 HP, was selling for 1500 to 3000 on eBay all the time. The coveted 928 has been the S4 and GT models with between 280 and 314 HP - selling for 12,000 to 20,000 ea. Now you can buy an early 928, supercharge it. and have as much or more of a car and have spent a lot less. Of course, there are other improvements as the years and the model developed than just HP alone, but you understand. Its good all around.
Not red, but a choice of aluminum or carbon fiber from two different FChatters: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64268
OK, I'm done lurking this thread. The 308 Euro GTS is the most beautiful Ferrari ever concieved (IMHO), the only thing it lacks is HP to match it's stunning looks and go-kart cornering ability. I am no stranger to the effects of supercharging a small displacement tough, reliable motor (see my daily driver in my profile) and have always wished there was an affordable way to SC my 308. Now there is, while also maintaining the CIS and stock ignition, minimal and reversible mods to the car !!! Quik revving 350+hp 4valve motor, 2900 lbs, 47/53 weight distribution (we are talking near 288GTO specs here!! )....all wrapped up in a 42" high classic Pinnanfarina sculpture ?? An extra 100+ hp for 6-7k ? Let me think.....OK, I'll take one!!! Look for "supercharged 85 Ferrari 1:30 lap @ Willow Springs" coming to You-Tube videos soon. -Luigi
