My new Enzo

...so in the mean time,

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7822

 

Thank you, who was the last person to post?? hmmmmm

All my sets (2) get questioned for not being 18, but they are. Don't worry

 

In the beginning, when I was a noob on Fchat - I thought the group was too hard on many statements made.

but after listening and absorbing advice, and scheduling activities, based on what I later found out were wild claims - I'd say it's best to let the snake act as it is.

We had a scumbag up here in Canada (F430QC if I remember) who was asking us to book a 3-4 day drive for him to join us with his 430. Too bad it was a Mazda 3 in reality, and he was on the other side of the country. Trust and integrity is critical to any community - those who don't understand what or why aren't welcomed. Those who show difficulty understanding should be accused and held to a higher standard.

It's not reasonable to check everyone's profile for every statement made to see if they're really over 15 years old and have any actual experience. Harsh? not at all - that's the way the snake acts.

Don't give people months to prove their claims - prove it now or move on. That applies to you too LF612.

 

Fchat is a lot of things to a lot of people. I particularly enjoy Fchat for real world information that it delivers from the very wide and varied membership, many of whom have information or experience in particular areas that I have an interest in.
Example - I hate the radio in one of my cars. I post asking for advice and within seconds literally there are replies pointing me in several useful directions.
I have renewed acquaintances with friends long not heard from as we dispersed from the places we were at and I enjoy reading other peoples' experiences with their cars and car environments.
I feel a kinship with this particular community, but as in any community there are people with whom I disagree and then there are people without class who intrude into it with crass and uncalled for behavior. They become especially obnoxious when others of their ilk egg them on and it becomes unpleasant. Is this enough reason to stop visiting Fchat? Hardly, as the good heavily outweighs the bad, but, as in life when I see bad behavior I speak up. That's all.

 

Sorry - I'm kinda slow, and I'm not sure I follow your argument. Are you saying it's ok to allow these kids to spout off until one of their lies costs you money or (worse) time, with incorrect advice, while we wait for the 6 week plus excuses timer to count down? Or are you saying the aggressive Fchat police team is obnoxious and undesired behavior, or both?

 

I don't want to get on anyones bad side. In my profile it does state current cars owned, previous cars etc. These all relate to my dad and are true. My dad was in a bad crash with his sl600, a head on hit with a motorcycle which led to problems with the car when it was fixed. The Cadillac Escalade ESV was my mums, and she was also in a bad crash a while back but, the car was huge was she sold it to get the shorter version. If I can find some pictuers of the crash I will post them. As with the Porsche, Cadillac, Mini etc they all belong to my dad. My dad bought his Ferrari at The LA Auto Gallery in Calabases in late February and have still not got one picture taken. When I take some pictures I will post them because right now Ive tested posting pics and they dont work.

Also, even at the age of 14 and being from the UK, I would prefer not to be called a wanker even though I can't take it seriously.

Cheers.

 

You're 14 and wasting your life on an internet forum? Seriously kid, get out and do something with your life. Live your dreams, don't spend it behind a keyboard or tele. "F'n elle"

Cheers.

 

I hope your dad and the motorcycle rider are recovering with no lasting effects - very scary.

Ever thought of updating your profile to say these cars as your Dad's and Mom's. Otherwise your saying that they are your own personal vehicles - and that is a lie.

email the pic's and I'll post them for you - [email protected] (although I have a tough time believing that anyone who can post on Fchat can't post pictures).

You may not of noticed that the typical "exaggeration" pattern is:
1. a thread with much excitement about a new car
2. postponing pictures until the car arrives
3. delayed delivery
4. difficulty taking and posting pictures
5. major event: car is in a crash, someone injured
6. International travel delays further follow-up
7. anger and aggression filled with mucho machismo

 

Interesting question. I'm really not sure how someone's statement about buying an Enzo can cost me time or money or anything at all, so clearly that's not my concern.
The "Fchat police team" is an interesting concept in and of itself. In most civilized societies the police are public servants not PC agents. and yes, the posts that sometime emanate from the "police" are downright obnoxious and uncalled for, like a nuclear weapon being deployed to deal with a mosquito that inadvertently flew into the room. If a poster is bad for the forum by his bad behavior, ban him. Certainly expose quantifiable lies, but in this particular instance, the entire premise of "owning" the thread starter is without basis yet, as the supposed issue - the ownership of an Enzo - is still an event that has to take place in the future. My point is why not wait? There is absolutely zero harm in that. If the Enzo doesn't materialize in a real way, via photos, VIN etc by the date promised, then have your way with the perpertrator of the fraud, but to speculate and then act as if the speculation is already fact is simply irresponsible.
This is Rob's forum and he can police it any way he wants, but it is a business and any business that becomes self righteous and smug will ultimately create disaffection in its customer base and thereby damage itself.
Once again I have nothing to lose here and possibly my subscription dollars to gain if this forum becomes an place I feel uncomfortable participating in because of the tone that is increasingly pervasive when the "police" decide they don't like someone. Whatever happen to indifference when you don't want to interact with someone who you believe is dishonest?

 

Thank you for the response - I understand now where we disagree.

The "Fchat police" do get carried away (often). No argument there. But I recognize their names now, as most do, and understand where they're coming from.

It's the guys like 612 and Michael-Ferrari who annoy me. Waiting allows them to perpetuate their lies. Although there's nothing about a 612 or Enzo that's relevant to my place in life - their lies could affect other decisions, and therefore "our" community. What if it was 3 years while "my" F70 was on a waitlist, or "my" Dino 420? If they're telling the truth, and I certainly hope so - there's a thousand things they could do to justify their words. following the scammer's action-plan doesn't help their case.

I'm bitter about this because I was taken in by a scammer in the Canadian section last year. He carried his story on for months - eventually asking us to schedule a 2,000km road trip for him to join us in his 430.

With tens of thousands of members on Fchat it's not reasonable to know all those to "avoid" who may be posting artificially.

I believe you're somewhat contradicting your previous post in #137;

I didn't really get the entire Fchat police thing until I read your posting . I love to see people be successful and achieve their dreams - if a 23 year old can purchase an Enzo - that's an amazing story, and gives me hope at 42 too. If a kids Dad can pop for a 612 - also great news. But pressing the trigger on Fchat without ammunition is asking for trouble, and with some good reason (not all, but some).

Unfortunately the Fchat horn dogs also seem to scare away almost every female chromosome that comes within range. But that's another thread.

 

410,

It's just happened TOO MANY TIMES here to be taken in a jovial manner. I can think of several threads where folks were looking for real advice and some of the children chimed in giving out "advice" that was given as relevant but in reality came from someone not old enough to drive. If you search my posts you will find one guy who was looking to buy, I believe, an XJ220 and someone posted how it would be a mistake and listed lots of reasons why. Not just opinions, but things stated as first-hand facts. Upon checking it was a 13 year old kid who got defensive when asked what experience, exactly, he had that qualified him to give advice on car A vs B to someone of means looking to actually buy one of said cars.

Its great to have fans on the site who are not owners and not old enough to drive, but they should be aware of their relationship to the site and the car owners. Not to say they were lower than an owner, but I think someone who has never owned any exotic or who can't even legally drive is not in the same position to "talk cars" as someone who has owned multiple cars, some of them being exotic.

More simply, what benefit does it provide to the membership as a whole to have teenage kids below the driving age participating in discussions that they cannot relate to? In Off Topic, sure, but in the Ferrari section or Ferrari Tech? What relevant input can they provide? Of course many/most know this and put their .02 in when they have something relevant to add, but many just poop over the whole board with their drivel.

 

Alex - I think this is a good discussion to have. I agree that slapping someone with BS cards at the hint of uncertainty is probably going overboard. At the same time, there have certainly been many instances where trusting individuals or small groups have paid some small cost for being misled. Is any cost too much or is some small cost the price of user comity?

In this particular case, Ferrari_Michael can still produce pics or VIN's of his other cars (360, CS, 355, F40) since they are in the now or past, not in the future. Also his claimed patent, which I'm still genuinely interested in, is something that can be produced now, not in the future. All it takes is a patent number and most (justifiably proud) inventors could rattle off their first few patent numbers on request.

Granted he might have left in a huff, but if he's bothered to lurk and read, he would also see in this discussion that many people have a genuine interest in maintaining user integrity and they're not trying to be jerks for the sake of being jerks.

This is a characteristic I truly value in Fchat, but what would happen if the bulk of the replies grew to be junk and lies (we already have the 60% obvious junk, but what if 20% were misleading and 20% were meaningful)? If it took a lot of work to sift the chaff from the wheat, would people be so quick to ask questions and also would as many others provide answers (i.e., if well thought out answers are drowned out, would people bother to craft them)?

This is what causes me to lean toward the direction of healthy (but courteous) skepticism.

 

Just read through this thread entirely and I don't quite know who to believe, though I'm leaning toward the skeptics.

 

Pure speculation as I thought. That just somes you up perfectly the way you try to diminish people without any proof whatsoever which is quite sad really.

I personally unlike you do not give a monkeys ass how he paid for it. It is none of my business as it is none of yours. The fact that you raise it whenever you mention Dans name is frankly embarrising to this board.

Wrong, i dont give a toss. What i do care about is when people like yourself and a minority of others accuse people in the manner that you have done. It is quite clear that you more than often jump straight in with your cards etc when clearly you have no evidence to stand on, more than often disrupting a thread that could have been exciting and beneficial to many. Take note of other comments as well as mine, cos these days it seems to be coming a highly discussed topic - The F-Chat Police who's truncheons are stuck up their own ass.

Well said although it seems a shame that someone can not share their enthusiasm at buying a new car.

If and when Michael does get the car, the damage has been done, can you not see that? Why would he possibly want to accept an apology from you or others? Some who have even called him a w4nker?

How can you call LF612 a w4nker? Mate you are not right in the head. The police badges are made of plastic by the way and aint fricken real!

Well said

Its not ok for kids to spout off but you my friend are speculating all day long. Michael is not a kid and he is not spouting off, he is just sharing his enthusiasm with people on this FERRARI ENTHUSIAST board. The same applies to LF612, not spouting off, just sharing his enthusiasm.

As for the Fchat police team, they are now obnoxious and their behaviour is uncalled for as they choose to apply it in the wrong manner as they have done here, calling out a member who now chooses not to post unfortunately.

Em yes, beats smoking pot, getting pished on street corners or going out mugging folk. Why the hell not?

 

Only if you knew what I was doing with my life

 

Hey! I know that #33 car in the background (from post #6)! Where was this pic taken? California?

Thanks!

 

I haven't heard any news latley from the crash but the rider did break his arm and leg, and ended up not having medical insurance so hospitals run the bill up. I won't say weather it was my dad's fault but it was an outright accident.

Cheers.

Someone on this thread has offered to upload pictures for me so they should be up soon...I'm becoming a hypocrit.

 

Matthew, you never responded to this question (that i found anyway). I'm still curious....

Edit: here is the full post to put the question in context. (post#170)

 

ahh, yeah - I offered, but haven't seen anything yet. see step 4 of the seven step plan you have to email me the pics first!

 

Matt,

If you are so up set by us, why do you hang around? Have you even looked at the F-Chat police thread? Nothing keeps you from posting there.

 

Anyone who misrepresents the truth and unwarrantedly insults respected members here, especially with a post count less than 50 is a wanker.

He admitted the cars listed in his profile were his dads and not his own.........imagine if someone here had taken some of his advice after reading his profile and assuming he was the real deal......advice that turned out to be totally wrong and not based on truth, and that which cost the member a significant sum of money.

As for your half hearted defence of the originator of this thread all I can say is that you must live in some "liberal" fantasy world where truth and integrity are irrelevant.....

 

I don t remember need to check the site....give me time.

 

OH I doubt he does...

We all know the answer to my question a few posts up. Matthew expects others to believe everything without question, but I sincerely doubt he lives his life this way.

Matthew???

 

Can t confirme from a French site, but this Enzo is sn° 134588 sold for 1.2M$ and only
175 miles +/-.

 

Of course i would not believe them, thats a given but i do not think your situation is comparable to that of asking Michael to provide pictures of his previous cars.