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Miura, the original supercar

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  1. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    #276 joe sackey, Jan 18, 2007
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    $1,050,000 was the price paid by my client for this roofless little devil....the first Lamborghini in history to exceed one million dollars.

    Joe
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  2. EMILIO

    EMILIO F1 Veteran

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    Joe,
    is the car still in its "ZINC" form?i think it is
    if it is, it is even more impressive what he paid for it, congrats
     
  3. joe sackey

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    Emilio,
    The new owner is a renowned property developer from New York City. He has studied this car for years.
    The car is going directly to Bobileff Motorcar Company for a full restoration (circa $200,000 plus) to its very first Brussells Salon configuration as pictured above. Marcello Gandini who designed it, Bertone SpA, and Gian Paolo Dallara will all be involved in this historical project. First task of mine is to fly to Italy and take a close look at (and photo-document) the original steering wheel of the "Bertone Lamborghini Miura Roadster" which now adorns the Marzal in their studios! Wish me luck...
    Joe
     
  4. Jota 5084

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    The #3498 has been for sale at GTC Marseille for a year or so, was the price $ Million all the time? Stange that the car dident went to Japan a long time ago. Ok, 3498 looks better in its orginal shape, but buy a car for $ Million and then strip it down and spend another $200.000 on restoring it to its original livery seems to me a little stange. Specialy if you look at the pics on the GTC
    home page the car looks in a very good shape. Maybe there will be one how buyes #4808 for Euro 600.000 and bring it back to the days with Gotti wheels and a wing on the trunk :)
     
  5. alberto

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    Joe:

    Do you know if the owner is going to have the body replaced with aluminum? Is he going to revert all of the zync parts back to original, or just take the car cosmetically back to original? Tell the owner to be sure to save all of the parts replaced, I think they have some historical value. I'll take one of the fuggly hubcaps.

    Gary tells me that the grey car that was up at Concorso last year was the same color as the roadster. I keep telling him it needed a lot more blue on it. Does anyone have a color chip of the real original color (not a name or a picture, but the real thing?). Do you believe the blue color picture in the Coltrin book is accurate representation of the color?

    Alberto
     
  6. joe sackey

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    Eric,
    - The price of 3498 whilst Jean Guikas had it for sale at GTC was $1,176,000 (900,000 Euros). I talked him down to $1,050,000 on behalf of my client.
    - The car was in fact in Japan from circa 1991 to 2001.
    - The purpose of the $200,000 restoration is simply to return it to its original January 1968 Brussells Salon guise.
    - 4808 is a Miura P400S. The customization was a privateer job with no involvement by Automobili Lamborghini SpA or Bertone SpA whatsoever. Thus its configuration is strictly non-original. But I must agree that now that the psychological $1 million dollar barrier is broken with Miuras, who knows, someone might find 4808 attractive at 600k Euros?
    There are some of us in solemn prayer that it never goes back to its "white whale" iterration, indeed, I wish it would also be put back to its very first configuration - as a sublime P400S in orange/black livery. But, as with all cars, opine as we all love to do, it is only the owner who gets to decide.
    Hope Ive cleared up a few things.
    Joe
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  7. joe sackey

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    #282 joe sackey, Jan 20, 2007
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    Alberto,

    1. - The new owner of the car has simply decided to take the car back to its 1968 Brussells Salon guise. Exactly how this will be accomplished is yet to be fully determined and planned out. I do know that besides Gary Bobileff carrying out the basic project, he wants me to involve Bertone SpA, Marcello Gandini, and Gian Paolo Dallara. The owner is a New York Property developer of renown, and I am somehow quite confident that corners will not be cut in this historic restoration. Lets just say that if anything needs to be manufactured, it will be.
    Whilst we shall be sure to take note of your prudent advice to save all the zinc parts (I cant help but wonder if you think he might be tempted to simply throw them out? LOL), I however doubt very much he will be inclined to spare you any of the zinc hubcaps, fuggly or otherwise.
    2. - Im unaware of your discussions with Gary, but I can tell you that the silver Miura SV 4968 that was up at Concorso and sold for $700k shortly thereafter is a non-original custom color that is NOT the "Blu Ischia" used on the 'Lamborghini Bertone Miura Roadster'. I can also tell you that in order to determine the correct color of the Miura Roadster, Bertone SpA (who painted the car in the first place) will be involved. One of their original bodyshop people remains on staff today, and one way or another using their origional color charts, the correct color will be determined. After all, I went through the same process with my Miura SV 4884 involving Bertone SpA's original red colors (all 17 of them!), and I remain satisfied that the orange-red we arrived at is the correct color.
    3. - No, I do not believe the color as represented in the Coltrin/Marchet book is an accurate representation. Im sure youd agree that pictures never are, and you suggest this yourself.

    I know everyone is in anticipation of this car's future and legacy, and the suggestions are flowing in.
    But lets remember, as they say: "Opinions are like belly buttons....everybody's got one" The point being, there is really only ONE man that determine's the fate of this car - its owner. Thankfully, Im assured that he will do this historical Miura justice. He certainly has the resources to do as such, please take it from me. Lets wait and see how the restoration of this car unfolds. Im off to Italy to help with it, and Ill be sure to report.

    Joe
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  8. wbaeumer

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    Joe,
    as much as I normally agree with your points - this time I think different:
    Guikas tried to sell the car here in EU without success! He called me twice for that.

    Its a real "show-car" and nuttin`mo`! I assume EU-Miura drivers want to drive their car(s) and this "Roadster" is something for the poser!
    I see still a long way that someone wants to pay more than $$ 1.0 million for a Miura (even for a SV). But what do I know.....! When the people become crazy than they will pay almost $ 100k for a VW "Samba"-Bus - as this happened in the USA (in 2005!)..........!

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  9. lambomiura

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    Hello Craig, how are you?

    I updated some of the chassis plate collection on my site. Also a photo of 3498 from Retromobile 2006. Also, my car (Espada...) featured on MonVolant.ca and a major press newspaper here in Quebec.

    All the best.

    Philippe.
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  10. joe sackey

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    Youre right on both counts:
    - It is indeed a one-off showcar, and in fact will mostly remain a showcar after its restoration (Pebble Beach, etc)
    - Any truly one-off object is truly worth what someone will willingly pay for it. The current owner didnt even know it was available and took just a week to decide to get it over the Christmas period. So the market continues to confound us, but the new owner thinks its worth MUCH more than he paid for it and is thrilled with the purchase. He says that he saw a one-of-several 275 GTB Nart Spyder sell for almost $4 million and so his $1 million for his one-and-only is a snip to him. That having been said, what do we know???
    Joe
     
  11. joe sackey

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    Nice job with your site Phillipe, a labor of love Im sure. I dig the Espada too...
    Joe
     
  12. joe sackey

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    #287 joe sackey, Jan 21, 2007
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    Joe B's fabulous Miura SV has been nicely refurbished by Joe Nastasi himself. The last 5 years has seen half-a-dozen SVs head to the USA from Europe.

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  13. lambomiura

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    Thank you Joe. As you wrote, it IS a labor of love. When I was younger, I made a giant poster (each individual Miuras, maybe 2-3 inches long ,were hand-colored by me!) of all the 762 Miuras made, with numbers, based on the Marchet/Coltrin book. After I started collecting magazines, etc, on the Miura, I also started my "own" little hand registry from magazines adds. Now with the Net, Glen's Registry, and contribution of historian and owners like you that are so kind to share with us, it is a real pleasure to discover more and more pertinent informations like in this forum. I like especially the old photos from the production years. I am really waiting for your book!

    Sincerely,

    Philippe.
     
  14. xs10shl

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    This is fantastic news!!! Now I can finally stop dry heaving every time I see ZN-75, because it will be gone forever - like a bad dream! I'm looking forward to seeing the finished product.

    As to price, I'd say $1,000,000 is fair, given the current state of the market. And if you have $1,000,000 to spend on a car, then you'll certainly have $200,000 to properly restore it!
     
  15. joe sackey

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  16. EMILIO

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  17. FrostyAK

    FrostyAK Formula Junior

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    I have nothing to contribute to this thread except for my praise; it is a new favorite. I love seeing all of these old, rare pictures. I never knew Miles Davis was into cars like this.

    - Christopher
     
  18. boffin218

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    These pictures are amazing. About the only thing I can add is this link: a little something to enjoy while gazing at these beautiful cars. Sight and sound together...stunning.

    http://www.apexstrategy.com/sc/miura.wav
     
  19. joe sackey

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    Thanks to you in Anchorage Alaska (!), and thanks all posters...

    Joe
     
  20. joe sackey

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    Emilio,
    Thanks for sharing.
    Its always cool to see Lamborghini's with local Bologna plates.
    MY LP400 lived in Bologna just before coming to the USA and I have its Bologna plates - the old black Italian plates add a touch of authenticity to the cars, and are just so cool to see.

    Joe
     
  21. joe sackey

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    Grazie, grazie...
     
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  23. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    I saw a poll of classic car collectors (www.fast-autos.net, I think) that rated the Miura SV as more desireable than the much-vainted Ferrari 275 GTB/4 or the Mercedes Gullwing today, by quite a margin too.
    Dont know if theyll be $2 million, but.... getting cheaper? I doubt it.
    On that note, can anyone find me a nice completely restored (by Bobileff please...) P400SV? I have a desperate man...

    Joe
     
  24. M.B.

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    people finally find out how NICE an SV is! I drove the GTB/4, its a good car with a lovely engine but driving an SV is SOOO much more fun, if you park the GTB next to a SV the SV looks SO low and wide, the production number is also lower, and to choos from front engine or mid engine.... I personally think the price from the sv has to be higher than a (normal) GTB/4! double! :)
     
  25. wbaeumer

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    ...but the 275 GTB/4 is a much better driver than any Miura, especially in turns. Then you have to keep in mind that there are some very interesting -and vERY rare!!- versions of the Ferrari:

    the alloy-cars and those -with 2 cams- that have period racing history. I am not very much a Ferrari-fan but the 275 always gets me on my knees!

    Ciao!
    Walter
     

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