Simply stunning. I wouldnt change a thing! -of course, Im also kind of a sucker for engineering renderings like that! Seriously, very cool. I agree that slightly slimmer spokes than stock look better, but just as you have done, using the replica theme.
Eric, NIce work, man! Really! Well, I understand your intent about "opening it up".....try that! Punch a triangle opening into the soild recessed web of each spoke, and see what happens when you make this more of a 'spider web' design a la Enzo rims.... This will look good.......
I think maintaining the original 'feel' of the design on the car will help with popularity....... I'll take three (five) wheel sets of 16".....LOL!
OK, so here's what we need to do. Take the drawing to a wheel manufacturer and find out how many sets we have to buy to get a decent price. Then put together a group buy and take orders until we have enough! Birdman
A couple of examples: http://www.introwheels.com/about.php http://www.wheelsforless.com/billet_specialties.asp http://www.bozeforged.com
OK, you guys are getting serious. I wasnt planning on going into the wheel business. Let me play with the design. If somebody out there is really interested in running with the ball, and managing this into market, contact me. - I will warn you, the liabilities and costs of getting this finished isnt easy. Plus, if this becomes a commercial enterprise, i dont work for free. Sorry, I can only give so much charity to the ferrari markets. Anyway, i am going to open up the spokes like big tex asked, and show that next. cheers Eric
Hi Bubba, Here you go. Opened up. Just as quick example, radii and section thickness would have to be carefully checked for strength for this to be viable. Cheers Eric Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Im in on a set for an 86 328 GTS. Lets do a group buy and figure out what the cost would be to each end user. Regards, Josh
Hey, hey...... My upright wasn't damaged by hard cornering/excessive grip, it was damaged by silly me overtightening on the lower shock bolt. The only thing broken on it is the shock mount ear. In fact, the other ear was so strong it was holding the shock for who knows how long! So there!! Greg
Well, the peanut gallery likes solid! LOL! It DOES look a little delicate for curb smacking with the open design....very elegant though, thanks for humoring me! *sanding stack of OEM 14"s*
I have designed the wheel as a 1pc aluminum casting. The computer tells me that the weight of this part is now 19.25 lb. This is without any stress analysis that may indicate where material needs to be added, or could be removed. the rim design is also dependent on the wheel companies design. As comparison here are some current 17x8 wheel weights: BBS RKII, cast alum. = 21.5 lb OZ racing Ultraleggera, cast alum = 16.7 Momo racer, cast alum = 27.3 Borbet M , cast alum = 27 Dymag Callaway Corvette, cast Magnesium = 12.9 keep in mind that the offset and depth of the wheel pad make a big difference, so the above examples are unknown in cross sectional material amount. So this fantasy design is on the lighter side of the ballpark. Could be better, but is acceptable. It just needs a sugar daddy to make it real. cheers Eric Image Unavailable, Please Login
I know there's probably more metal in this rim than a 16 inch QV rim but I wonder what the difference in weight is. Anyone know.. 7 and 8 inch wide.
Me too. So who is making the calls on getting these made? (Not me, I already got roped into the East Coast reunion!) Birdman
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=136265164&postcount=32 Superformance aluminum QV reproductions: 16x7 front: 19 pounds 16x8 rear: 20 pounds OEM Ferrari Magnesium QV wheels: 16x7 front: 15 pounds 16x8 rear: 16 pounds Birdman
Velocityengineer- if you want, you can shoot me an iges file of the wheel and I can make a pretty rendering to give people a better idea of how it is looking. I would suggest getting rid of the rolled rim edge (weight lip). That is really making it look retro. Also, do you have the FEA capabilities, I am thinking not just for this but for other projects?
The wheels on the Intro site are 2 piece wheels. They use a standardized rim with a billet disc welded in. (their pictures are hard to see but this is the general way that billet wheels are made and these appear the same). Machining the whole wheel would be very expensive so this is probably not going to be the right type of company. You need a cast or forged wheel supplier that can do a smallish run. A company with some high tech, low volume tooling capabilities, as all the money goes for the tooling.
Hello "qvb" , I do not release the file until I am paid for it, or contracted to be paid. I especially do not release files to nameless forum members who are not subscribed. The file represents work, and I do not work for free. There are also liability issues to be sorted. The look of the rim will depend on the manufacturing technique (if it gets made). Different wheel companies specify a different bead/rim shape. I am not going to finalize that area without wheel manufacturer data and input. FEA modelling is expensive if done correctly. I can shop it out to some sources I have used before, but that falls under the heading of "I am not building these", and if someone wants to run with these or a wheel company will finish the job, thats fine. I will work with whoever wants to push this forward. But like I say, there are money and liability concerns to address. Anyway, It would be great to see these wheels come to life, but like anything-it isnt as easy as it seems. Understand that if an Intro welded wheel (or whatever type) comes apart while driving, who gets sued? me the original designer? the wheel manufacturer? or the businessman who contracted to make the wheels? - making them for personal use is one thing, selling them to other users is something completely different. i just want that to be clear. Sorry to sound negative, but this is the real world, and i do things like this for a living. So I have been down this road before. It would be great if these get made, but there are real world issues that need to be addressed first. Cheers Eric
Eric, Your previous post gives me mixed feelings. In your third post you said: Thanks, but I am not going to be making them. Its just a doodle for me. If somebody wants to take it and run with it, then I can finish it as a production ready part. For now its just a open forum subject. You never mentioned wanting to be paid. You designed a wheel that nobody particularly liked. We all gave you feedback to make the wheel more desirable by the 308 community. Now that there is interest, you want to be paid before you "release drawings." Sorry, but it sounds like a classic "bait and switch" and you were drumming up some work without being up front about it. You should have just said that from the start. You are a sponsor of the site, there is nothing against the rules about doing that. As for your concerns about liability, you can probably be sued no matter what in this country. The chances of that in a small run of wheels sold to Fchatters is unlikely, especially when, if something did go wrong, the wheel manufacturer would most likely be the one held liable. Your previous post to qvb was rude. The guy was volunteering to help. I don't think your response was appropriate. Just my opinion. Birdman
Interesting! I don't know much about custom wheels. I was just following a link that MikeC posted. I'll stay out of it because I'm definitely not the guy to be working on this! Birdman
