Okay, It's Just Time - Enzo TT

Somebody do it.

Please.

I rode in a 360 Twin Turbo a while back and my ears are still ringing. Why is it that nobody has done this yet? The top speed would surely be around 250. You could in theory do a hell of allot to this car. What is stoping an enthusiast from taking his Enzo to the next level? I mean, anybody can black out the tail lights...

Oh... and by the way... can it even be done?






Kind Regards,
Jon

 

In theory, it would be possible.

But I imagine that:
1) Many Ferrari fans would be disappointed that you screwed with an Enzo to that extent
2) Cooling would have issues, so
3) More vents would be cut into the bodywork, so
4) The aerodynamics so carefully created by Pininfarina would be screwed up

I've had fleeting thoughts of "what if I dropped a couple of superchargers on an FXX" ideas, but I don't think that it would be a brilliant idea. In my very humble opinion.

 

Wow... I must have missed the person say "pull!"


But I heard the shot...


Regards
Jon

 

NHeerDesign makes some good points.

In addition, it'd be out of the naturally aspirated character for the Enzo to be turbo-charged, and doesn't it have enough power already? Or is that a silly question...

 

3) More vents would be cut into the bodywork, so How do you figure? And could there even be any moe vents already
4) The aerodynamics so carefully created by Pininfarina would be screwed up I don't see how the aerodynamics would need to be changed by just adding more power?

 

Personally I have thought about it, but the car would need more downforce. The car is a handful already, and with so many wrecking I am still up in the air on it.

 

twin-turbos have been executed on ferrari's before.

however, as mentioned, there is a strong dislike towards tt's by the purists (like myself). although, it is relatively hypocritical when we all know the f40 was a twin-turbo and one of enzo's last creations, am i not mistaken?

to each their own but i would be hesitant; it would be interesting to see if the enzo engine could handle the tt.

there was that legendary f50 twin-turbo by konisegg(sp?).

 

Konig, the tuners from Germany. Not Konigsegg, the Swedish "supercar" manufacturer.

 

Some guy already put a full body kit on his, there is a thread about it somewhere.

 

I have heard of a Enzo with Twin Turbo's fitted, which was Yellow and appeared at Goodowood race track last year (in the UK). Unfortunately, the people who saw it didnt get any pictures. But thats only what I have heard.

To be honest, the Enzo is nice enough as it is, and although I havent driven one, I can bet its enough power unless your crazed about horsepower.

 

You dropped an "e" Its Koenig (or actually in full - Koenig Specials) and Koenigsegg. Norwood Performance also did an F50TT IIRC.

 

You can spell it without the 'e' if you write it like this: König

You'll find both spellings in this page on the history of the family and the company:

http://www.koenig-specials.com/history.html

As for the original question - high-output, normally aspriated power plants don't often lend well to turbocharging without changes to the major components inside the engine. In the case of an Enzo it would certainly require more effort than simply creating a new set of exhaust manifolds to carry the turbos and tricking the ECU into adding more fuel.

Often times when experimenting with the right combination, even skilled tuners will have some major failure which would not be cheap to fix in this case. I'm sure there is someone out there with money enough to undertake the idea and not really care what goes wrong, but it still seems like a bad idea to me.

As John mentioned - for a car that is already somewhat tricky to drive, adding the instant-rush-of-power trait of turbocharging could result in many more chances to do damage to the car. The turbos would have to be sized properly to prevent an unexpected surge catching you out when you aren't expecting it.

>8^)
ER

 

well, I think that first off the engine would need a lower C/R....beyond that and a host of custom plumbing, the car would also need transmission work, and Im not sure how feasible that is given the complex nature of its F1 box...

 

Sound the trumpets! Another picture opp!

 

Yup, the very last car Enzo ever worked on.

 

I agree. I believe the compression ratio is 11.2:1, which would be insanely high in a twin turbo application. An engine rebuild would be required and that would mean one off parts since I don't think anyone is selling 9.0:1 pistons for the Enzo. Every component in the Enzo was designed to be as light as possible and still function, similar to an airplane. That could entail lightening various engine components to the point that 660 bhp is within the material limits where as 900 bhp is not. As was mentioned before, cooling would be a huge issue. Read any article about the development of the Veyron and they will tell you how much time was spent developing methods to cool the engine. Turbochargers recycle both kinetic and thermal energy from the exhaust. That means that engine heat that was quickly leaving the engine on a normal Enzo is now building up on the TT Enzo. There are pictures floating around of a turbine housing on a turbo Porsche being so hot that you could see through the metal and see the turbine blade spinning inside. I can't even imagine how hot it must get to make 1/3" thick steel transparent. The point is that yes, the body work of the car would have to be redesigned to provide massive amounts of cooling. Notice how the F40 has slats in the rear engine cover and a huge mesh grill on the back side?

Finally, the Enzo is a very limited car that already has tremendous performance. While the tuner factor may be cool to some, the car would almost certainly drop in value dramatically. Add in the fact that the car was expensive and the engineering involved in creating a sustainable turbo Enzo would also be expensive and it just doesn't make sense anymore. If you want a very rare, twin turbo Ferrari, give one of the earlier two supercars a chance. I'm sure an F40LM could get the blood pumping.

 

The founder is Willy König. The company name is Koenig Specials though. You won't find there anywhere "König Specials"

 

Do you happen to have pictures of these 'see-thru' turbos that you're talking about?

I'll also chime in on the many points that have already been made by just summing them up.
-too expensive
-the engine is not designed to handle turbocharging
-it would kill the value of the car
-would be ridiculous to maintin (even more so than it already is)
-too many variables to account for
-there's not enough enzo's to start trial and error testing

as well as a laundry list of other things as to why it hasn't been tried.

 

That's right because koenig specials main customers are located in U.S. and Japan. The "ö" is a "umlaut" which is afaik only used in the german language and also can be spelled as "oe", others would be "ä" or "ü". Konig would be spelled wrong but Koenig is correct.

/OT

I think on a highperformance suckengine a TT is almost senseless because the measures needed to get a working package would cost big time performace on the other side.

And think about the cost : the english guy who had his F50 converted left about $300,000 in munich ...

 

If I had the money I would do it.

 

somebody should ask jimmy g why he didnt do it when he had the chance, and he of all people would probably know what it takes to mod a Enzo, considering he has "a little" experience. Who wouldnt want a TT Enzo, 0-100 in 5 secs sounds pretty awesome.

 

You should just import one...

 

3) The cooling would be a mess without extra vents. It would overheat every 20 feet without extra cooling. Also, the air needed to drive the turbos would require more vents.

4) Due to the vents being cut, the aerodynamics would be screwed. Pininfarina designed that body that way for a reason.

@Jay, he's asking whether one exists. If one doesn't exist, importing a container of air is pointless.

 

can anyone post pics of an Enzo tt.Please

 

The cooling could be worked out without adding more vents, oh and the turbo’s would be driven by the exhaust just like any other turbo out there.