COUNTACH REUNION

Absolutely untrue Joe, There were no faked Miura S models with badges and chrome only to satisfy some marketing exploit. The S series was designed and planned in advance and when the first P400S model rolled off, it was a true P400S with all the changes we all know of. There was no phasing in of early S items. Certainly the S series was peppered with ongoing changes to chassis, interior, engine, brakes, suspension, etc, but these were in addition to the 500+ pieces it takes to be the first P400S.

Besides the badge and the chrome, are you aware of what it takes to be the first P400S? i dont mean in general terms, i mean exactly what pieces.

Do you think Ferruccio and his staff would be misled by some stupid marketing suggestion to actually produce a couple of faked (badge and chrome only) P400S models, when the engineering and production changes were already at Bertone?

Craig

 

John's "My 1980 LP400S (#1240) has all the features of the 78-79 cars, the lower roof, 45mm Webers" Mine. Tony if you would check with your buddy's red 80, and also the copper Countach would be a good one to check. Sorry joe I did not write all this down, but over the years I have disscussed with many who's smooth wheeled Campagnolo Countachs had the 45's. I'll work on it.

Remember Joe, I'll say it again, I had a problem with how the registery pumped up the S1 over all the rest. I noticed there were not that many changes between the two. That what got this going, at least for me. I never said the Gentlemen from the day were wrong in what they called an S1. My noteable observasions found that there was not a big change between the seiries split. I hope you understand now.
You said all this confusion caused collectors to shy away, my comment was do away with the "S" thing and call them what they are simply to unconfuse collectors. Simple and would probably work, but wrong to many others, I under stand.

Your getting alot of milage out of that badge! LOL

Greg

 

Tony ~waves hands~ does Jedi mind trick..."these aren't the Countach's your looking for"

Collectors be confused (till Tony finds his keeper S1) then the world realizes that there are only 100 or so left of the poster car of their dreams.

SHHH.....I said too much already!

 

You know Joe....I would do it, if only to prevent people from getting burned and over paying. There is a 2 valve injected car with US bumpers right now on ebay with a buy it now for $90K.

Could you imagine if someone paid $90K for the lowest value Countach and then ran into someone who knows what that car is worth...

That car could be worth $70K if perfect...and we all know it's not, so depending on PPI maybe $50K is what that car could be worth. That is scary considering the negitive affect multiple sales like this could have on the Countach market.

Why do you think the values were so low over the the past 15 years? People paying good money for cars that don't run right and need $10-$20,000 worth of work to just get working right.

I'll never forget something that was said to me by a very high up and experienced person in the car business just before I bought my first Countach..... I told him what I was buying and he asked me if I was a masochist!


Tony

 

I can live with that. See what spirited conversations and cool heads can accomplish. I think you may have saved the LP400S forever! Sorry Tony....... just add another zero to th check.

Greg

 

Hey joe, i was wondering is there such a thing to your knowledge, as an Anniversary Countach without the U.S. style rear bumper / light cover? id love to see one.I dont believe anyone had one made, or not even sure Chrysler would let you buy one like that at the time! Just wondering, (As in the first pic and not the second) cheers Alan W
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Hi Joe, Craig and others,

To add (confusion maybe...) to this subject, I have a french magazine "Sport-Auto" dated october 1967 in which roughly it is said (by journalist Jose Rosinski):

"However, the factory offers at no extra-charge an S version (larger diameter admission pipes, bigger and different jets). Maximum speed should theoretically approch the magic 300 km/h, since the power of our test Miura was a little under 350 HP, we have seen 423 HP for the best S engine built so far"

What to you guys think?

Yes ,should be on the Miura topic

Philippe

 

So you are saying you have proof of faked S models being sold by Lamborghini prior to the first real S models. And nobody noticed?

The first large pieces i can think of that were produced exclusively for the P400S are :
1) main chassis section
2) left door
3) right door
4) rear tilt body section
5) trunk lid
now there are hundreds of additional pieces, but i am not providing online research results.
Craig

 

All I can say is Thank You! I need to stumble into this section more often I guess. I've always been a fan of the Countach but have learned more in this thread than I ever knew before! It's like a history lesson with pictures!!

By the way here are a couple pics I snapped of one of Roy's cars (maybe former by now?) and him trying to make a clean getaway....


John
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owner told me it is
he has the car from 2 years, he doesn't know there were hi roof or low roof, S1 or S2, OZ or Campagnolo ...and on

answer is in this pic

P.S. the wing was of course added becuse the current owner love it
P.P.S: the car is for sale
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could we (me included LOL ) keep the miura facts on the apposite thread?

 

this is the late little wing on the thin hi mounts

added on a 5000S weber car

Emilio not like it (i have to say i am not a wing guy )
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A little tough?....have you ever owned a Countach???

I have owned 4 and I can tell you first hand that I was being kind at 50-70K.
knowing what the car could need, the miles on it, the bumpers and the FI and what they do to the value....

Any Countach owners out there that would pay more than $70K for that car?

Bumpers and rockers back to stock through evans is about $15,000.

 

NOT original...look at the center console, the gathered leather... not stock.

 

Hey Joe maybe you and I could hold Countach 101 at a local University, LOL!