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  1. Birdman

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    #1 Birdman, Feb 4, 2007
    Hey Everyone,
    This thread on the $17K 308 has me thinking that we need to come up with an easy nomenclature or some other means to discuss 308 "generations." The 308, being produced over 10 years and in several configurations, means that you are always trying to differentiate between different models. In my mind, they break down as:

    1. Early carb cars (76-77)
    2. Later carb cars (78-80)
    3. 2 valve injected cars (80-82)
    4 QV (83-85)

    Of course there is also the sub-category of the fiberglass early cars.

    So, we could be like the GT4 crowd and call them Series 1, 2, 3, and 4. Or we could come up with something easier to remember. I am getting tired of typing "2 valve injected car" and "later carb car" every time I am discussing a particular evolution of the 308! Any ideas? "QV"....now that is simple. How can we come up with something like that for the other cars?

    Birdman
     
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    #2 Birdman, Feb 4, 2007
    OK, 2 valve injected= 2Vi

    What about the carb cars?
     
  3. Steve Magnusson

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    #3 Steve Magnusson, Feb 4, 2007
    Can agree that it is cumbersome (especially when you add "version"), but can't agree that adding another set of "special codes" simplifies the situation.

    PS QV should be split into '83 US, '84-'85 US, '82-'85 (or is it '86?) standard/euro (and probably some CH and J versions too) ;)
     
  4. Perfusion

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    #4 Perfusion, Feb 4, 2007
    Well, to me at least, typing 76-77 or 78-80 is fewer characters than "Series 1" et al.
     
  5. Birdman

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    #5 Birdman, Feb 4, 2007
    No way! Too complicated! A QV is a QV!
     
  6. Artvonne

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    #6 Artvonne, Feb 4, 2007
    Why not S1 for the euro glass, S2 (75-77 steel carbed), S3 (78-79,80 carbed, cats), S4 (80 up 2V Injected), and QV? S for spyder, B for Berlinetta?

    Paul

    S2B 21181
    S2B 21645

    ?
     
  7. Bullfighter

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    #7 Bullfighter, Feb 4, 2007
    Hmm, '84-'85 had rustproofing and different emissions, IIRC. I think the market likes those years better than '83.
     
  8. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    #8 Dr Tommy Cosgrove, Feb 4, 2007
    2Vc
    2Vi
    QV
     
  9. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    #9 Dr Tommy Cosgrove, Feb 4, 2007
    Or

    2VC
    2VI
    4V
     
  10. miketuason

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    #10 miketuason, Feb 4, 2007
    I want a 4VC or a QVC (QV Carb) this would be sweet
     
  11. Birdman

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    #11 Birdman, Feb 4, 2007
    Dr. Tommy has it here. We just need to be able to differentiate the "2VC early" from the "2VC late" models.

    2VCe? 2VC1?

    We could invent a totally new means of talking about these cars that other people cannot even understand! ;)

    Birdman
     
  12. Birdman

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    #12 Birdman, Feb 4, 2007
    308 Ebonics!= threebonics!
     
  13. Artvonne

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    #13 Artvonne, Feb 4, 2007
    2Vc early
    2Vc late
    2Vi
    QV

    There is a very distict difference between the 77 and earlier cars, and the 78 to 80 carbed cars. Not the least of which that the early cars dont have "cats". They are also the lightest of the US cars, and coupled with 240 + HP, are among the hottest of 308's. Lumping all the carbed cars together would be the same as lumping the injected cars together.
     
  14. Artvonne

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    #14 Artvonne, Feb 4, 2007
    Enzobonics?
     
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    #15 Artvonne, Feb 4, 2007
    QVC? Hmmmm, Ive heard of that somewhere before. :)
     
  16. snj5

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    #16 snj5, Feb 4, 2007
    Cool! I've got a (the) Mondial 3.2 QVC !

    Or, if you consider the Mondial simply a long wheelbase 328, it's a
    328 QVC LWB

    But it is a coupe version of the 328, and it does have 4 cams, so that makes it a:

    328 GTC/4 QVC LWB

    And since it picked up all that horsepower from the QVC, we have finally a:

    PDQ 328 GTC/4 QVC LWB

    That should make Birdman feel better ASAP...
     
  17. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    #17 Dr Tommy Cosgrove, Feb 4, 2007
    since all the "early" and "late" 2V are carbed how about dropping the c (like Ferrari dropped the "i" with the QV) With these, the "c" is implied.

    2Vearly
    2Vlate
    2Vi
    QV
     
  18. Artvonne

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    #18 Artvonne, Feb 4, 2007
    Okay, to simplify further how about ?

    2VE
    2VL
    2Vi
    QV

    Russ.....LOL! :)
     
  19. Birdman

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    #19 Birdman, Feb 4, 2007
    LIKE IT!!
     
  20. mambodave

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    #20 mambodave, Feb 4, 2007
    crap... now another thing for a newbie to learn
     
  21. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    #21 Dr Tommy Cosgrove, Feb 4, 2007

    That's it.
     
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    #22 GrigioGuy, Feb 4, 2007
    Since all carbed cars are 2V, it can be simplified even more

    cE
    cL
    2i
    QV
     
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    #23 miketuason, Feb 4, 2007
    Why not just call it "Q" everybody knows what "V" means.
     
  24. robertgarven

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    #24 robertgarven, Feb 4, 2007
    Dont forget the GT4's are 308's actually the first 308's and we have Series 1 & 2 !
    :p
     
  25. BigTex

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    #25 BigTex, Feb 4, 2007
    It cannot be done Bird...

    The dividing line on early 308s is the CAT feature....DOT NON CAT vs DOT CAT from 78 on......

    So you have to show that break..

    75 -76 glass
    77 steel NON CAT
    78 -79 steel CAT

    then all the rest with the heavy bumpers! LOL!
     
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