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Pit crew on Dec 2006 / Jan 2007 Cavallino cover

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  1. Cincy Ken

    Cincy Ken Karting

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    I'm finally catching up on my reading, and going through the prior issue of Cavallino, with the great overhead shot of Michael's car getting serviced with a pretty full pit crew. I had a few questions I was sure you experts could answer:

    1. What is the metal pole being held by the crew member behind the rear wing, with the pole apparently terminating unter the helmet of the crew member holding the fuel nozzle? It appears that an attachment to this pole is leaning against the Marlboro logo over the engine.

    2. How many crew members are actually servicing the car? I counted 21 in the picture, but figured the front jack operator wasn't shown. Further, I wasn't sure whether the rear jack operator was out of the picture or was holding the forward-facing pole mentioned above.

    3. Finally, what would be the maximum size of the crew servicing a car during a pit stop?

    Thanks for the input. I'm eager for the new season.

    Ken
     
  2. 62 250 GTO

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    1, to restart the car if it should stall

    2, between 21 and 23 depending on which team and what they're doing.

    3, I believe it's 23.
     
  3. 1_can_dream

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    I can answer question #1 It's not the starter motor, that wouldn't be held over the rear wing and up to the fuel guy.

    On the end of the pole is a splash guard that keeps the fuel from spraying onto the hot exhaust tip when the fuel man pulls the hose out of the car.

    And you're right the front and rear jack operators are not shown in the picture.
     
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  5. 62 250 GTO

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    Oh, above the wing...
     
  6. Cincy Ken

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    A splash guard - I don't recall seeing that before, but it makes sense. I'll have to be more attentive this season.

    And 23 would be the full complement without either jack operator in the picture. Thanks for the input.

    Ken
     
  7. Cincy Ken

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    By the way, these questions arose as I was showing the cover to some car enthusiasts at work. As I was unknowledgeable about the pole, I said, "I'll just ask the guys at FerrariChat. They'll know." So I posted the question, ran an errand, came back, and found the answer. I never cease to be amazed at how much useful information is available in this community, whether it be racing, technical, or vehicle history, and how quickly it is made available. Again, thanks.
     
  8. classic308

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    Exactly my thoughts. I ask our community everything, whether it is a question about men's clothing or plasma tvs and I get either the direct answer or a link that points me in the right direction.....and we have the bikini thread, and news is posted instantaneous on here-I found out about Anna Nicole here on F-Chat. Who's better than us????

    All right, now does anyone have some GUARANTEED winning stocks? ;)
     
  9. ferraridude615

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    Does anyone know how the lollipop holder (the sign with the brake/rev) gets his info? Does the team tell him through the radio or does he just know when the team is finished, or does he have a timer that knows how long the pit stop is? Are there jacks on the car that enable the wheels to come off with it being lifted? How come they don't take the tires warmers off in the pit lane? Why dont they have stronger fuel pump that pump everything in in 1 sec? The guys that stick their hands into the sidepods, why dont they use a vacuum instead to get the stuff out. Why do they not cool the engine down at the pit stop? Why doesnt Ferrari hire all the good pit stop people leaving the other teams with no one? Any help with answering these questions would be much appreciated.
     
  10. 62 250 GTO

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    The Lollipop holder get his orders via radio I'm sure and there are visual clues like when the wheels are back on and the fuel guy just yanked out the nozzle "TIME TO LIFT THE SIGN MR. LOLLIPOP MAN! TRY NOT TO BREAK THE VISOR THIS TIME!}. Most of them seem quite retarded when they make an error. In most case all they can do according to the "how to fix any and all problems list" to fix a problem no matter where it happens on the car is to smash the driver in the face with the lollipop and try to hold back his 800 hp car with his tiny little arms. I can't count how many trimes I've seen that and laugh hard each time I see it! Funny stuff!

    There aren't on board jacks like other open wheel series', the front and rear of the car must be lifted into the air. Still a very cool race image in my books.

    I assume they don't take the warmers off in pit lane because every tenth of a second counts and if a cover wasn't to come off in time that could really cost some time. Also if someone slipped on a cover that could cost time and the covers come off just before the car enters the lane anyway so I doubt that one half of a degree is lost.

    Regulations keep the fuel pumps from being 1 second gulp dispensers. Besides there's enough trouble with keeping fuel headed in the right direction. I think the current pumps deliver 3 gallons per second which is damn fast.

    A vacuum would be an extra hose in the way and if you jamb it too hard to could easily damage a radiator. {From what I'm told/ read}

    There isn't time to cool down the engine at a stop, too many people doing too many things also.

    There may be a competition clause in F1 that block stealing team members. Also I hope there is some sort of an unwritten, unneeded handshake rule that the team owners and operators just wouldn't do that sort of thing. Besides as far as I can tell they all are pretty quick in the stops and remember they are actually techs, not just wheel changers.

    Someone go to youtube and find me clips of Lollipop guys hitting drivers in the face with the metal pole. I love that sooo much!
     
  11. 62 250 GTO

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    Ever hear of Microsoft? Keep it under your hat for a few days, they're about to go big.
     
  12. 1_can_dream

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    I know that part of the signaling for the lollypop man is done by the wheel changers themselves. They raise their hand when their wheel is done. I don't know if it works the same way with the fuel guy.

    The fuel pumps are actually provided to the teams by the FIA. Each team gets 2 pumps in case one breaks.

    Montoya running over the lolipop guy
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=9uRM8as1ZUc

    Schumacher knocking over the front jack guy
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=IwPIhu_kgzg

    Heidfeld pit stop mess up
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=vnA4JLsV3jA

    Mis of botched pit stops
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=avGWxCAc8PY
     
  13. 62 250 GTO

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    Like I said, it's fairly clear to see when every thing's done. I wouldn't put a retard with a name like "Lollipop man" in charge of the pit stops.

    And yes on the two fuel pumps.

    Thanks.
     
  14. ferraridude615

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    Your wish is my command. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-pjmmaqALo That pretty much sums up pitstop disasters. 1:45 in there is of course a lollipop man smacking Michael Schumacher in the head.
    Lollipop man screws up, car drives away with fuel pump still in, punishment for lollipop man=foot run over, then again its Juan Pablo who doesnt seem to care. Michael, infamously hits the lollipop man in this clip
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yePx6BbpEsc .
    This time the lollipop man flips his tool too early with the fuel hose still in and someone gets run over http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnA4JLsV3jA .
    L-pop Man once again screws up and Schumi crashes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDq59EVMpLM
     
  15. 62 250 GTO

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    "Lollipop, lollipop I love the way you lollipop MR. lollipop man!"
     
  16. Remy Zero

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    don't forget spain a few years ago. Nigel Stepney was involved in the pit crew at that time, and schumi ran over some crew. i think it was 2001..
     
  17. classic308

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    Already made my money off them back in the day.....
     
  18. 1_can_dream

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    Lol I just posted every one of those except for the last one.
     
  19. ferraridude615

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    Yeah, I didn't refresh my page and see yours, my bad.
     

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