Thoughts on adding a twin turbo to your 360...

Hubert's the expert on this one.

 

http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106437

May find some answers your looking for in there. If not, tons of information on the system itself.

 

Did any of you guys read the thread before posting? He already referenced the original thread.

I don't own a Ferrari, but I think resale would take a hit. There would certainly be a market for a super Ferrari, but it would be much smaller. Also, at such levels, you have to worry about the transmission and other components, as well.

 

ask Hubert

 

if i had a modena or F430 i would do that, i think it'd be ok with V8 ferraris.

novitec's twin turbo is great; adds just about 200 bhp but costs 25 000 euros. the front bumper for F430 from novitec is nice too so it'd be a match

 

if you're going to use forced induction on a supercar you better religiously make sure the air/fuel ratio is perfect because i'd imagine its a costly engine to replace. you also better hope it doesn't put out to much power to where you're shredding drivetrain components that were designed to handle 400hp.

 

What about the sound?

A spooling turbo with a refined Ferrari V8?

 

Wouldn't be the first time: F40.

 

TCT, I gave this project a lot of thought and talked with a number of builders about it. I don't want to speak for Hubert but I believe his build is with stock internals and though at lower boost levels that might be fine, it was suggested to me by the two shops I felt most comfortable with that changing internals(lower compression pistons especially) was the way to go. Appaerently the architecture of the 360 engine would require cams and pistons and a lot of sophisticated ems work to make a reliable and strong performance set up. From the research I did you need to expect to pay upwards of $40k for the project.
I would be happy to put you in contact with a someone in your area as I talked to shops on each coast.
Great project though and what a car you would have!
I decided to take the path of least resistance and just get a cs.

I think the tt gallardo that was done by a board members at Heffners shop cost much much more than that.

 

I wouldn't do it. The alteration of the sound and throttle response alone would kill it.

 

the Classic Coach Racing 360 Challenge TT is still running strong with no problems. Classic Coach for people who dont know is the shop that put my TT setup in my 360, and their 360 Challenge TT was installed before mine and beat on hard at track events on the East Coast.

Mine is still running strong with NO problems once installation was completed last summer.

I highly recommend anyone with balls to go ahead with such a forced induction setup. The speed and take off is unbelievable! And the zzzzzzz''s of the turbos is priceless especially when there is a convertible following behind you (their ears hurt from the zzzzzzzz's) and not to mention all that bling you see in the engine bay

 

Hubert,

What was the $ figure to do that?

 

It's best that you call Classic Coach Ferrari (www.ccferrari.com) and ask for Rocco to get pricing on the 360 TT custom setup.

 

there are pics and dynos posted in this thread:
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106437

and there are more pics here:
http://www.myspace.com/ferrari360modena

 

I think he was asking how much YOU paid.

 

yes i know. and i am telling u to go ask Rocco at Classic Coach to find out

 

What exactly is the most costly part of this project? 40k sounds a little far fetched to me for a TT setup.

 

Design and R&D. Forced induction isn't as easy as it looks, sure in general the parts themselves are fairly simple but putting it together within the space constraints and the engine management means you need to know what you're doing.

another thing is too, that while hundreds and even thousands of other cars are turbo'd or supercharged, the design and look of the 'kit' has to be on par with the car and this is especially true in the exotic arena. When I design something I want it took like art and fit into the bay like it belongs, this takes time and money. and when you do maybe 10 over the life of the project you'd be lucky to break even, the low volume of Ferrari specific engine tuning keeps the ROI very low.

that's a beautifully setup, and the man hours for install I'm sure are high, then you have fabrication and tunning. Pop a 360 engine and you'll set yourself back thousands of dollars, not fun.

now this is all based on weather the shop is making this as a 'kit' if they are doing it as a 'new' project each time a customer wants one, then their profit is cut down even more.

 

The thought dazzles everyone's dreamy eyes, but the reality can be something very different. Supercharging or turbocharging an exotic moves it into a highly tempermental and specialized slot in the market. Constant tuning, second guessing air/fuel ratios, coming to terms with rough running, trying to find specialists who understand the damned thing. I've done it in BMW world and got my ass burned. And then, just break down somewhere. No authorized ferrari shop will touch it. Other wannabe performance shops will jump in, scratching their heads when you're not looking. If you've got a "project car" to devote to the pleasure and pain of it fine, otherwise take a walk. There are other ways to puff up your testosterone besides laying out XYZ grand and driving around in a fire threat.

 

Agreed, there are so many half-butt tuners out there it creates this image. Done right there are no piggy back ECU's yet another reason the cost is higher.