More Old Photos

the abarth is a very interesting car. looking at the motor, it clearly must have been seriously fast and a ball to drive!

the shot of it alongside of a lotus seven gives an idea of its tiny size.

tom w

 

What's this? Is this turning into AbarthChat? Back to Ferraris please guys.
Nathan

 

I understand the sentiment but the thread title is "More Old Photos". The Abarth photos hark back to a simpler time of racing. There will be plenty more Ferrari pictures to come.

kcv

 

since you insisted

kcv
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The 166 MM Abarth at the Targa 1953 :
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Don't think so. This was how it looked at the Targa.
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Well, no-one replied, but I'll take that as a 'no-one said no'.

This is the start of the Le XIV Grand Prix de Monaco, 13th May 1956.
Front line of this picture is (20) Fangio, (28) Moss and (22) Castellotti.
Castellotti retired after 22 minutes, Fangio finished fourth and Moss came first, having lead every lap of the race.

Picture is an excerpt of Automobile Year No.4 from 1957. I do not know who the photographer is, it is not mentioned with the picture or anywhere else in the book that I can find. All credit goes to where it is due.
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Thanks Boudewijn for correction.
So, was is car nr 922 ?

 

Fangio went off the track at the first corner, took out two other cars as he rejoined, and later clipped a curb or wall so hard he broke the rear suspension and came into the pits - after spending about 20 laps sitting on the pit counter recovering his composure he insisted that junior driver Peter Collins be called in from second place, and took over his car, keeping it in second to the finish.

Fangio's battered car was given to Castellotti who had already retired, and he brought it home 4th, which might have given Fangio +1½ more points.............but with shared drives, only the best of more than one finish was counted (although there was a point for fastest lap, which could be shared when jointly achieved - with me so far?).

So Fangio took half of Collins' points after one of his worst races.........which may have affected the outcome of the WDC that year, because if Collins had not handed his car to Fangio at Monaco and Monza he would have had 6 points more and Fangio 4½ less (-6, +1½ for half of 4th at Monaco, making Collins WDC.

Paul M

 

Coppa della Toscana 1953.

 

Well thats something i never knew, thanks for sharing Paul.

 

After seeing Abarths, model cars, and images acquired from unknown sources I have decided to "dip my toe" in the shark infested waters again thereby giving Mr. Massini another opportunity to say "I told you so!"
On the the 250 PF Coupe thread I mistakingly posted a photo labeled "1451" that should have been "1415". The pictures below are of the real 1451 during the race at LeMans in 1959.
The last is of Grossman and Tavano who dorve the car that year. I am told Tavano was a brick layer that lived near LeMans?
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it was a gentlemanly thing to do. fangio was very well liked. i have heard before that turning the car over to fangio cost collins the championship before but i don't think i have had the details of it explained before. thank you for that.

of course fat chance of it happening today!

tom w

 

that car is very close to mine in production runs. mine is 1421 a pf coupe. 1451 appears to be a disc brake car with 15" wheels. mine is drums. i always guessed mine was one of a very few with drums and a dual circuit master cylinder.

the lines on that california spyder are just really lovely!

tom w

 

As a relatively new member I have spent all evening going over this fabulous thread. Thank you all so much for sharing.

As a Phil Hill fan it was great to see so many pictures of him.

You all are the best.

 

David,

Those photos of 1451 at Le Mans in 1959 are priceless to me. It is the first time I have seen a rear view of 1451, ever.

If this is sticking your toe in the water again, can we go for the ankle?

Thank you David,

Gramps

 

Those are splendid photographs of the "truck-drivers" (Les camionneurs).
It was the nickname which one had given them for this race.

Thanks

 

"On the the 250 PF Coupe thread I mistakingly posted a photo labeled "1451" that should have been "1415". The pictures below are of the real 1451 during the race at LeMans in 1959."

David to the rescue again -- I think. The photos are wonderful. I had never seen the one of the rear end. The left front quarter detail is very interesting. Could this be a photo before the race? I don't see the regular Ferrari shield next to the NART badge in other photos. Or since it is starting to peel, perhaps it came off altogether during the race (?).

Most of us have seen this photo from Ferrari du Mans, among other places. In the color photo there appears to be a small white decal where the Ferrari shield is in the B&W photo. Ilario who made a model of this car saw something there. However his concept of the graphics on the rear end is incorrect. Any opinions?


Gil
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Ilario probably didn't have pictures showing this much detail. There are MANY models that have incorrect details because the maker can not find all the needed photos, or are unwilling to do that much research.

 

On a practice photo of the car in the Tavano book, there are no Ferrari or NART
badges near the door but only that roundsticker as on the colour photo.

 

Probably the ACO stamp from scrutineering? It looks like.

 

How many driver/car combinations can you name without going to a reference website?
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Nice game !!

Matra MS80 Stewart
Matra MS120 Beltoise
Brabham Courage
...

 

RINDT LOTUS HULME MC LAREN
STEWART MATRA HILL LOTUS
ANDRETTI LOTUS
BELTOISE MATRA ICKX BRABHAM
COURAGE BRABHAM BRABHAM BRABHAM
SURTEES BRM RODRIGUEZ FERRARI
? ? OLIVER BRM
SERVOZ GAVIN MATRA ? ?
? ? EATON BRM

 

Well let's see how I do since I was there, 1969 USGP at the Glen:

Rindt Lotus
Hulme Mclaren
Stewart Matra Ford
Hill Lotus
Siffert Lotus
Beltoise Matra ford
Courage Brabham
Brabham Brabham
Ickx Brabham
Surtees BRM
Rodriguez Ferrari
Andretti Lotus
Oliver BRM
Lovely Lotus
Servoz-Gavin Matra Ford
Moser Brabham
Eaton BRM