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Differences 456/550

Discussion in '456/550/575' started by t024484, Feb 25, 2007.

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  1. t024484

    t024484 Karting

    Nov 9, 2006
    171
    Netherlands
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    Hans A. Polak
    This subject was there before, but I went into more detail, and here's the result.
    Only Engine, Gearbox and Suspension is covered.
    Everything not mentioned in these three areas is supposed to be (more or less) the same.

    Ferrari----------550-----------------------456

    Engine Type----F133----------------------F116
    Top Piston ring--Radiused contact surface--wedged 1.15 degrees.
    Piston----------4 slots on the top--------no slots
    Valve dia mm
    In--------------34------------------------32
    Out------------29------------------------26
    Valve guide length mm
    In--------------44.0----------------------40.7
    Guide Material
    In/Out---------Iron-----------------------Bronze
    Valve Length
    In--------------98.5----------------------109.5
    Out------------99.0----------------------110.0
    Oil scraper on
    Valve stem-----Much better--------------Very small
    Hydr.Tappets---Yes-----------------------No
    Valve Lift-------9,5-----------------------9.0
    Valve Spring Load
    Up-------------294 N---------------------331 N
    Down----------746 N---------------------874 N
    Con Rod-------386 gr (Titanium)----------496 gr (Steel)
    Cam Timing
    In-------------2/44----------------------6/54 (@ 0.5 mm)
    Out-----------42/4----------------------54/10 (@ 0.5 mm)
    LCA-----------110 degr------------------113 degr
    Duration-------226/226 degr-------------240/244 degr
    Compr. ratio---10.8:1--------------------10.6:1
    Inlet Manifold
    Length--------410/280 mm---------------390 mm
    Rear exhaust
    Muffler--------Bypass valve at high RPM--None
    Exhaust Pipe
    Ext. Diameter--2.25 Inch----------------2.25 Inch
    Suspension
    Springs--------10% firmer as 456
    Wheel Geom.---Identical as 456
    Gear box plus Diff Ratios
    1 st-----------12.32--------------------10.55
    2 nd------------8.50---------------------6.92
    3 rd ------------6.12---------------------4.99
    4 th------------4.63---------------------3.89
    5 th------------3.65---------------------3.17
    6 th------------2.96---------------------2.68
     
  2. Bryan

    Bryan Formula 3

    Goede informatie. Bedankt.

    Where did you find all this?
     
  3. adrenalater

    adrenalater Karting

    Dec 8, 2006
    126
    SF Bay Area
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    Jeff Stevens
    Everything makes sense except for the 456 cam timing. The durations sound way huge for an understressed, moderate redline engine. Maybe the 550/456 specs are reversed? I'd expect the 550 to have long durations to go with its "extra" (short) intake manifold passage and muffler bypass.

    In any case, thanks for the research and the post! :D


    Jeff
     
  4. GTB4NART

    GTB4NART Formula Junior

    Jan 17, 2004
    421
    Great info. thanks!

    I've driven both 456 (mine) and 550 (not mine) and I'd say the differences are ever so slightly present but not noticeable to someone getting into both cars for the first time. The 550 felt a bit more jarring and a little more rev happy (hyd. tappets?). So a 550 gearbox in a 456 would make it snappier?

     
  5. open roads

    open roads F1 Rookie

    Jan 28, 2007
    3,799
    Sarasota, Fl.
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    Stan
    I agree. I have both and they are a close match as far as feel is concerned. The 550 seems to pull harder though. The 550 also has more of a turbine like sound to it.
     
  6. t024484

    t024484 Karting

    Nov 9, 2006
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    Hans A. Polak
    Jeff,
    I agree completely with your feeling.
    The timing between 456 and 550 are not reversed, they are right.
    I would also have expected a much longer timing for the 550.

    The 550 has larger valves into the same cylinder volume.
    Therefore the ratio cylinder volume divided by valve diameter is smaller as it is for the 456..
    Normally this leads to a larger LCA, but not for the 550 !?
    The calculation method used by Dave Vizard gives me 114 degr for the 456, which is not too far off the used 113 degr , but for the 550 the calculation gives me 115 degr. where Ferrari uses only 110 degr ??
     
  7. t024484

    t024484 Karting

    Nov 9, 2006
    171
    Netherlands
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    Hans A. Polak
    One correction to the list: the 550 does not have iron valve guides, but according to the workshop manual "copper alloy guides".
     

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