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Discussion in 'Canada' started by stax, May 23, 2005.

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  1. LambogatiINC

    LambogatiINC Formula 3

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    has anyone else seen this...

    this is shear disgusting, and i dont know how anyone can find it funny

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-VqXXGKego

    when they grabbed one of the guys and were taking him into custody one of the reporters asked him why he did what he did, he just swore him out and kept swearing until he was in the building...
     
  2. CDN_Wolf_eh

    CDN_Wolf_eh Formula Junior

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    Looks like they may pull out one of the most storied call letters for this New Super Vette ... ZR1
     
  3. MS250

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    That would be sad. The ZR1 never really had any history. They should keep it as a Z06.....GM has got to stop changing these names every few years, i wonder why they haven't learned this yet.
     
  4. ClassicFerrari

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    #3129 ClassicFerrari, Mar 5, 2007
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    Just wanted to share with you guys the new addition to the ClassicFerrari family. My new pet cat! Friken guy drinks more than me! Can you imagine.

    Crazy cat. Look how cute he is...
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  5. MS250

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    Congrats !!! Looks just like you.
     
  6. ClassicFerrari

    ClassicFerrari F1 World Champ
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    Brings tears to my eyes. *sniff*

    I'm trying to get him to come on f-chat next. That way he can tell you where to go when im not here! :D
     
  7. MS250

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    I have no issues with P...u...ss...y telling me where to go ;)
     
  8. ClassicFerrari

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    I hear yah bro!
     
  9. CDN_Wolf_eh

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    "In the history of the automobile, few cars were anticipated as much as the Corvette ZR-1. The rumors had been circulating for almost three years before one was available for purchase. The hype was not Chevrolet's doing - car enthusiasts were eager for any and all scraps of information and the magazines did what they could.

    The ZR-1 ID on the option list was a tribute to the special ZR1 high performance package available for 1970 - '72 Corvettes which was shorthand for "Zora's Racers". This was a serious racing package costing approximately $1,000 and featured the much admired LT1 engine.

    "King of the Hill" was an internal and supposedly unofficial working title around GM for the ZR-1 project. The moniker stuck with Corvette fans and according to rumors, could be found on some low level GM documentation.


    The Exotic Corvette
    As the 1980s were turning into the 1990s, a new batch of high performance cars were coming from Japan and Europe. Corvette Chief Engineer Dave McLellan knew that a special Corvette would be required to properly respond to the challenge. The adversaries had multiple overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder, while all Corvettes before 1990 worked with a single camshaft deep in the engine block and two valves per cylinder.

    Work on a new super Corvette started after the introduction of the C4, in the form of turbochaged V6 and V8 engines. These configurations did not work out and the decision was made to go with a double overhead cam naturally aspirated engine.

    Dave McLellan was the Corvette Chief Engineer and was responsible for the giant leap in technology that was part of the C4 introduction. He was also the protagonist for the ZR-1. His definition of the ZR-1, as quoted in the brochure, summed it up nicely. "ZR-1 is Corvette, only more so". The following interview excerpt, from the ZR-1 press release, reveals Dave's views on the ZR-1:
    "I don't see the Corvette ZR-1 as exotic. I see it as much more. Corvette is identifiable and recognized on the road. Exotic is strange scoops and wings, like the Countach. Exotic is making 300 cars a year and selling them for outrageous prices. That's not Corvette. This car certainly delivers the elements of high performance driving -- all those things that exotic cars do for their owners -- at a much more affordable level. In a way, the Corvette ZR-1 is the ultimate expression of the Chevrolet mission statement, which is to "give more than expected". But instead of a $10,000 car you're talking about a $50,000 car that's giving you the attributes of a $60,000 to $300,000 car. You're going to find it's a higher performance car than any of the production-available Ferraris, including the Testarossa. It has higher performance than the Countach, as federalized. Ranking up there with the [Porsche] 959. Surely not at the level of the F40, which is just a thinly disguised race car. The Corvette is a civil automobile. It doesn't remind you every minute that you are driving a race car. But it also has this other dimension that is instantly waiting for you."

    ... and from Wikidpedia ...

    "During 1986, General Motors acquired Group Lotus, the UK based engineering consulting and performance car manufacturing firm. The Corvette division approached Lotus with the idea of developing the world's fastest production car, to be based on the C4 generation Corvette. With input from GM, Lotus designed a new engine to fit in place of the L98 V8 that was powering the standard C4. The result was what GM dubbed the LT5, an aluminum-block V-8 with the same bore centers as the L98, but with four overhead camshafts, 32 valves. Lotus also designed a unique air management system for the engine to provide a wider power band by shutting off 8 of the 16 intake runners and fuel injectors when the engine was at part-throttle, while still giving the ZR-1 a stellar 375 hp when at wide open throttle.

    In addition to the engine, Lotus helped GM design the ZR-1's upgraded braking and steering systems, and helped them pick the settings for the standard "ZX3" active suspension system that Chevrolet was fitting to the car, helping to ensure that the vehicle was more than just a modern-day muscle car with a big engine and no real capability on the track.

    GM found that the engine required special assembly, and that neither the Corvette plant in Bowling Green Kentucky nor any of their normal production facilities could handle the workload, so Mercury Marine corporation of Oklahoma was contracted to assemble the engines and ship them to the Corvette factory in Bowling Green where the ZR-1s were being assembled.

    The vehicle went on sale in 1990 and was available only as a coupe. It was distinguishable from other Corvette coupes by its wider tail section, 11" wide rear wheels and its new convex rear fascia with four square shaped taillights and a CHMSL (center high mounted stop lamp) attached to the top of the hatch glass instead of between the taillights.

    The ZR-1 displayed stunning ability both in terms of acceleration and handling capabilities, but carried with it an astonishingly high price. MSRP for the ZR-1 in 1990 was $58,995, almost twice the cost of a non-ZR-1, and had ballooned to $66,278 by 1995; it has been rumored that some dealers successfully marked units as high as $100,000. Even at base MSRP, this meant that the ZR-1 was competing in the same price bracket as cars like the Porsche 964, making it a hard sell for GM dealers.

    In 1991, the ZR-1 and base model received updates to body work, interior, and wheels. The rear convex fascia that set the 1990 ZR-1 apart from the base model found its way to all models, making the high-priced ZR-1 even less distinguishable. Further changes were made in 1992, including extra ZR-1 badges on the fenders and making traction control a standard feature, and in 1993, when Lotus designed modifications were made to the cylinder heads, exhaust system and valvetrain of the LT5, bringing horsepower up to 405. In addition, a new exhaust gas recirculation system improved emissions control. The model remained nearly unchanged into the 1995 model year, after which the ZR-1 was discontinued as the result of waning interest and the fact that Chevrolet had never been able to sell them easily. A total of 6,939 ZR-1s were manufactured over the six year period.

    Not until the debut of the C5 platform Z06 would Chevrolet have another production Corvette capable of matching the ZR-1's performance, however.

    Although the ZR1 was extremely quick (0-60mph in 4.6 seconds, and onto 180+ mph), the huge performance of the LT5 engine was matched by its robustness. As evidence of this, a stock ZR1 set a number of international and world records at a test track in Fort Stockton, Texas on March 1, 1990, verified by the FIA (Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile), including:

    7 New International Records: 100 Miles @ 175.600 MPH; 500 Miles @ 175.503 MPH; 1000 Miles @ 174.428 MPH; 5000 KM @ 175.710 MPH; 5000 Miles @ 173.791 MPH; 12 Hours Endurance @ 175.523 MPH; 24 Hours Endurance @ 175.885 MPH for 4,221.256 Miles

    3 WORLD RECORDS - IRRESPECTIVE of CATEGORY or CLASS: 5000 KM @ 175.710 MPH; 5000 Miles @ 173.791 MPH; 4,221.256 Miles @ 175.885 MPH

    These records remain unbeaten today by any subsequent Corvette, including both the C5 and C6 Z06s."



    ... Hope this help Big Red.
     
  10. TheBigEasy

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  11. ToddB

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    The ZR1 is a huge part of Corvette history
     
  12. MS250

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    Where ? WHat racing has it done? What heritage ?

    If this new car is to be truly special they should keep it in line as with the Z06 badging....switch badging and you have this GM mix match batching again. My perosnal view of course, i just think its the wrong marketing for the car.What the hell do i know about Marketing.


    MArk everything you mentioned only a Vette guy would know, the general public would not. To make money and sell cars and maintain value and gain RESPECT they should really stay with the Z06 badging of this new car.

    If i may use a ferrari example here :

    Take the F40, Enzo asked for it and was the first ferrari to hit 200 miles an hour. To this day the f50 and the Enzo itself does not carry the same respect as the F40. Maybe im nuts, but the i think calling this new car the ZR1 is the same as calling an Enzo replacement an F40(a)...maybe be better, faster...blah, blah...but it aint the first f40...make sense? not sure if i explained that correctly.
     
  13. ToddB

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    Don't get me wrong, The new corvette should not be called the ZR1, however the zr1 was a huge milestone for the corvette. Corvette over the years and been more of a street car then a race car. Yes the C5R project did very well
     
  14. b-mak

    b-mak F1 Veteran

    Perhaps if Corvette went with a DOHC setup or other truly unique engine/powertrain with this car instead of the rumoured current-Z06-plus-stupercharger, then they could call it the ZR-1.

    The ZR-1 was a special car and, sorry, a Z06+stupercharger ain't special enough to call it by that name.
     
  15. MS250

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    Now your onto something. thats what they should be building
     
  16. MS250

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    My feelings exactly 100%

    I dont think the Brass at GM have the Brains to see this.
     
  17. ToddB

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    So when you buying your corvette? ;)
     
  18. b-mak

    b-mak F1 Veteran

    Not as simple as that, unfortunately.

    Inbred executive committee upon inbred executive committee prevent reasonable decisions being made there. Lutz is the best thing to happen to product for that company in decades.
     
  19. MS250

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    I am so close you dont understand.....
     
  20. Ronald Steinhoff

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  21. of2worlds

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    From above... do you really want some Malibu (the car not the place) mechanic working on your 'double overhead cam - 4 valve per cylinder all aluminum monster motor? I don't think so. Keep it simple, light and make lots of horsepower. The 599 may have over 611 HP but look at the weight it has to drag around. What's in a name? The name doesn't make it go any faster. The F40 was an anniversary car just like the F50 was. Each was from a different era and not really comparable; beyond being the best interpretation of the engineering talent expressed in a street car at that time. The F60 doesn't look like it is going to fly. What do you mean; you can't make more than one?! Production P5's would have been interesting to some people but others simply wouldn't get it.
    CH
     
  22. JamesSimpson

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    I know everything about that car, I work at Autoforum.
    Very clean,services are up to date the price is what it is because of the lack of nice no story 355's in Canada regardless of the listed price make me an offer and let me see what I can do for you.
     
  23. Kds

    Kds F1 World Champ

    I don't know this particular car, but can vouch for Sergio the owner of AutoForum (who is also a member here, albeit an infrequent poster)........it's a good store. I do deals with them.
     
  24. PureEuroM3

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    I have yet another snowday! This is now the 4th day in a row and a 6 day weekend for me :)
     
  25. asb9987

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