Anti Ferrari Sentiments

This was something I was asking myself a few weeks back...

I am neither a psychology student nor a psychologist, so I don't have the answer to your question. But I would like to read the responses to this thread.

 

look at their profiles, one thing sticks out like a sore thumb. Other cars owned: corvette.

 

I dont think thats it

I have a 68 & 93 Vette and I am lusting over a new Z06 but I also love Ferraris

I like all sports/race cars but Ferrari is my favorite

 

Problem with their manhood

 

I think it is the human condition to denegrate what one cannot have.

At this point in my life, I don't see myself getting a Ferrari due to constraints and the reality of children. But I still have a vast appreciation for the marque that goes back to the first Ferrari I saw and heard zoom off into the distance when I was 12. I guess that is why I enjoy photographing them so much.

I feel lucky to have been able to share my passion for the breed with those that possess what I cannot have.

Fear not the transgressors, for they know not what they blasphemy. They choose the dark side and shall never see the light. (Translation, let them p!ss in their own bathtub, it don't bother me. Until they flush it into my drinking water.)

warm regards

Ken
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A fair question.

As far as I'm concerned, it's an open forum, and healthy, civil discussions and even debates are worthwhile. Fanatacism (one way OR the other) isn't productive or helpful. I will say that those who lavish praise without acknowledging the other end of the spectrum are equally uninteresting.

I agree that as a ferrari-centric site, most comments will be pro-Ferrari. Maybe some people just feel the need to take their shots and point out that we're wearing rossa corsa colored glasses.

To each their own, but there are clearly ways to and ways not to express a different point of view. Moreover, even though I am a Ferrari enthusiast first and foremost, it doesn't mean that there aren't things I don't like about the marque.

CW

 

The big difference between Ferraris/exotics and cars like Corvettes, most Porsches, BMW, etc. is that a Ferrari is also a symbol of extreme wealth and hedonism.

Yes, I know, you get an F355 for less than a new Porsche Turbo, yada yada yada ... but the symbolism is indisputable. And if you had to take the kids to school in the Porsche, you could do it.

A secondary thought is that a lot of things that set a Ferrari apart - pretty to look at, 'raw' feeling, racing heritage and marque history - are more important to some people than others. We've probably all admitted, at one time or another, that the Corvette is the real horsepower bargain, and the Porsche is equally as fast and more dependable.

So, I'd guess the people who come on here to denigrate Ferraris have one or more of these things going:

1. Have little use for heritage and history
2. Are insecure with their financial achievements
3. Are more practical than romantic
4. Have a strict savings mentality and view a Ferrari as a bad deal for what you get (relates to #1 and #3)
5. Like slinging mud behind the anonymity of the Internet
6. Are insecure with what they have in their driveway now (we all have mental reflexes that help us justify our decisions, be it to a major purchase like a car to buying a pair of shoes...)

 

i wouldn't worry about it. there are partypoopers for everything. just ignore them.

john

 

I take the kids to school in the 456 all the time!

 

Lucky them. My dad took us in a VW Type III Fastback - amazing I grew up as well-adjusted as I have...

 

Now sit down and give me a 2,000 word annalist of what you have just said dude What was behind that dig at lamborghini

 

I tend to draw a parallel between the phenomenon of hostility toward Ferrari, as lobbing vollies at a top target, as in herd dynamics, the new young buck attemting to "make it with the does," has to spar with the lead buck.

Why aim at the lower targets? That would do little, to enhance the group perception of the insecure. They attempt to discount qualities of the percieved upper echelon, to raise the prestige of their self-image (thinking that they also impress the group). It happens in bar posturing, every night.

It seems that there is little negative discussion of Lambo cars here, in fact there is a good bit of quite positive comments made, but a number of Lambo afficianados come here to vent their sometimes ridiculous and vituperous bial at Ferrari. It must make them feel bigger doing it here, to peepee on the F-Chat driveway, as it would seem. Childish at best, emotionally challenged at worst.

 

For the most part people love to brag about how they had the best deal around, and how they knew someone. Its to make themselves feel good. Whether its, i have a lower interest rate on my mortgage than you, or look at these pants i bought for $11.00 they look just like RL. You will always have these peoeple, therefore just ignore them.
Ignorance is bliss

 

The effect is lost in the morning - much more effective in the afternoon

 

"but it is amazing that a Ferrari specific forum like FChat attracts a bunch of posters who clearly have nothing but animosity toward the brand and who spend a lot of energy espousing their negativity toward Ferrari"


Well said.

 

Great point, Alex. I have been wondering the same thing myself. There is even a site (which doesn't deserve to be mentioned by name) that prides itself in its childish "Ferarri Bashing" where F-car owners and anyone who likes or admires Ferraris are referred to as "Ferrari F@gs". They spend more time talking about Ferraris than they do about their own brand. I find this to be quite a sad commentary on those obsessed with being negative and hateful just because they think it's cool. To them I say "get a life" and get out there and enjoy yourself instead of practicing all of that hatred.

 

Its just because people want to stir up trouble, it happened two days ago with this person who posted negatively about North Carolina and it happens with people posting about Ferraris. They want to get a reaction because its funny to them and they probably dont love the brand. And if they do... they can just make another account. I was thinking if all users had to be subscribed then we could cut out that stuff... but then I realized I am not even subscribed. I just paid the small fee, but I know I sure as hell wouldnt have joined if it only let you in by payment, but since experiencing this site my knowledge and love of the brand has greatly increased. I guess the only way to stop them is just to ignore them, dont reply dont send them a pm, just let a moderater delete a topic like that.

When your brother poked you if you said stop he would only do it more, if you ignored him, he got bored and didnt do it anymore.

 

I was dropped off in a 61 Rambler Wagon, white, no radio and the only option the push button automatic. After that it was a 1967 Corvair Monza, dark purple. But then I showed them all when I pulled up to school at 16 in my new 427 Stingray. I thought I was well adjusted, but then I am on this forum.

As for the topic of this thread, some of the motive behind such negativity is the ability to demonstrate your jealously blindly. No one can see you face, no one can slap you silly for an insult, so you can feel like a superstar of criticism from afar and not fear retribution. Similar to the people that beat the homeless.

 

It happens on every car forum. I often go on Subaru WRX and Nissan 350Z forums since I've owned both and you get the same thing. However instead of Lamborghini and corvette owners it's dodge SRT-4 and Mistubishi EVO owners who feel there cars are superior. I think alot of it has to do with how happy they are with their own car. I've owned cars I was unhappy with and everytime I felt I need to justify my decision, because deep down I had not convinced myself.

 

I am on quite alot of differerent car forums and I see this alot. Alot of time the criticism is on the specific cars and their technical merits. In my view that is great and I learn alot by the banter and the pros and cons by people on the forum. I also see remarks about Ferrari owners themselves concerning their need for something like a Ferrari to boast their manhood. This bothers me.

The other remarks i get is why spend so much money on a Ferrari that cannot out handle or beat in a race my 1936 Ford (with a crate motor) or my 1986 Buick. People who have never had the opportunity to drive a Porsche 911 of whatever never get the chance to experience how well these cars drive compare to a Buick.

My friend with the 1986 Buick who is a real car buff just did not know. His Buick by the way is a street monster with 800 hp. He was helping me do some work on my '65 Shelby Cobra. I told him it drove like a garabage truck with a loose front end, fast oh yeh, great noise and look but brutual. I let him drive the Cobra and he says it drives great. I drove his Buick which is awesome in a straight line but drove worse than the Cobra. it wandered on the road even at low acceleration. I decided to let him drive my 296 hp Porsche 911. He could not believe how satisfying this car is. It changed his outlook 180 degrees. I also let him drive my Lotus Esprit Sport which is #8 built of 50 for racing. Now it only has 210 hp remember he is thinking 800 hp how can this car be fun to drive. He was amazed on how agile and hardcore the driving experience is. i told him imagine this car with almost 500hp and then you have the F430. The F430 handles close but not as good as the Lotus. The Ford GT is faster than the Ferrari but does not handle quite as nicly as the Ferrari, ad nauseam. So part of the failure to communicate is lack of experience in driving cars of these caliber. Each of these cars have strenght and weakness.

The other issue is some Ferrari people are very sucessful and hard driving and smart. This is why they became successful. We Ferrari people have to be understanding and gentle when people approach us and our cars, simple things give people the wrong and bad feelings. It is hard as you drive up in your Ferrari whatever to hear someone go over the merits of his 1976 ford Escort. Chances are the guy has done something neat to his car.

One small example in one of the Lotus forums I belong to. A Lotus Elise owner was devastated when someone called his Lotus cute. This is by his boss who ownes a F430. The anti ferrari stuff goes on for 5 pages maybe more now on the forum. I own a Lotus and a Ferrari and love them both for what they are and understand what they are not. I am very careful not to call a Lotus cute even in kidding. I try to be considerate of others. As ferrari owners who are at the top of the pyramide it is our responsibility. Oaky if the guy drives uo in his Bulgatti maybe not so much

I can tell you now my Lotus is a better handling car than my F430, The Shelby Cobra can outrun almost everything in a straight line, The Ford GT is awesome in its acceleration and very good in handling but pales compared to the F430 in corners. The F430 is good in so many things that it feels like the perfect car.

Ferraris at any age always have graceful or masculine design lines to them. I love the lines of the TR and would like to own one but it does not handle like the Lotus or accelerate like the Ford GT but it does not have too it has great sound and a class all of its own.

I own about 10 different vehicles and each one has a niche for driving. I love them all. Just my point of view. There a very few cars I do not like.

Sorry to go one so long but I hear the anti ferrari even from my Lambo freinds.

Lee

 

*sigh* I was just about to watch the race

 

Venomous behavior towards objects or people who have not caused you any harm is likely displacement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Displacement_%28psychology%29

FerrariChat is an unregulated forum which allows every human behavior to be displayed with no barrier to entry and no consequences. Within any large population we see a disturbing displays of behavior even when severe consequences are imminent. Heck, 0.5% of the US population is in jail!

It's hard for me to understand since I'm interested in most cars and motor sports......OK, I really hated the Vega, Plymouth Cricket and Dodge Colt......there, I've vented and feel much better now.

Oh yeah, Ferrari won GT2 at Sebring just prior to the F1 race start......what an afternoon!

 

If you Tivo'd the race and didn't want to know who won until you had a chance to watch it, coming onto the f-chat site was probably a bad idea don't you think?

 

Oh hell yes. When I owned my TransAm I was a member on F-body.org. I was there to discuss the car I owned and loved and threw money at with reckless abandon. Never failed, some asshat would show up with a Mustang/Viper/ricerwasteofmoney and spout off about how Camaros/Firebirds were sh*t and how all of us had relations with our mothers. Every time the faithful would come to the defense and argue for endless pages with these trolls and get NOWHERE. These morons who show up here bashing Ferrari are no different. Whatever they own, they are insecure because they want MORE. I love Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, etc but my true desire is to own a Ferrari. That's why I'm here. Ignore the detractors. They either know nothing or are having buyer's remorse over what they drive or worse, they just like to start a fight. Regardless of their motivation, replying to their pointless posts only boosts their ego, and we really shouldn't do that. Let 'em rot in replyless limbo.