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  1. MS250

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    So, it seems like the right rear nut dont grab. Seems to be tight, but after some pressure of driving it needs to be retighted. I dont think its the nut. if its the inside spline(sp?) is this common? does anyone know the part i need, and how much?
    Thanks.
     
  2. Prova85

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    Seems to be tight ???
    Clean/degrease both the male and female threads. Apply a very thin film of high temp grease to the bolt threads and tighten to 325 ft-lbs. That sucker won't work loose if properly torqued.
     
  3. MS250

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    Did it, done it, just out of the service. Went around the block a few times and i did it by hand with the tool kit it hammer still moved a quarter turn. Went around the block again and moved abit after a few hits.
     
  4. Rifledriver

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    I will assume you cleaned and lubed the splines too.

    Make absolutely sure you are tightening it down initially at least with the wheel elevated. If you do not the inner and outer splines will cock against each other instead of seating on the taper. If that happens you can torque it to 1000 lbs and it will not be tight.


    Sinch down elevated till tight. put it down and torque it. Drive a few miles and retorque. If you are doing all that it should not be a problem.
     
  5. MS250

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    Yes the splines were cleaned and lubed.
    Brian, all four were done at the same time. I had the wheels redone and new rubbers added when i was doing the service. I took her out for aspin today and heard the noise in the rear.

    We took the hammer and key from the boot and we hammered the one wheel and it turned from say 11 o'clock down to about 9 o'clock. I went ofr another little drive, couldnt really tell if the noise was still there and we hammered again, and it moved slightly again. The other 3 wheels didnt move at all when we tried it as a test. What do you think ?
     
  6. Rifledriver

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    I would take it off and look for debris or anything that prevented the convex and concave tapers from seating well against each other. Then reinstall with the wheel elevated and tighten. Drop it and retighten. Drive it and retighten.

    After the drive I really only retorque as a fail safe. If everything was good the first time they will not really move on the retorque.


    Also are you torquing them or just using the wrench and hammer?

    When using a torque wrench I find I really need someone to sit in the car and hold the brake very hard.


    I have used the wrench and hammer many times and it does work OK but it is hard to quantify how tight tight is.
     
  7. MS250

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    They were torque on the lift to spec, and yes 2 people were used to tighten.
    I will try that again....it will have to wait now, it snowed here, so Im gonna have to wait a month before i can take her out and do it again.
    Thanks for the heads up.

    Is it possible that that the inner hub could be stripped inside ? I know it not the bolt.
     
  8. Rifledriver

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    With the size and depth of those threads I would be very surprised.

    Start from scratch and give it another try.


    Sorry about the snow.....it is 85 here.
     
  9. MS250

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    Thanks Brian...i will soon.
    Thanks.
     
  10. ham308

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    It might be useful to mark a line across the nut/wheel to see if it is coming undone or are you just tightening it further each time. If it is coming undone then it sort of implies it was not tight enough to begin with. If you need to just keep on turning the nut further then something is being crushed out of the way, (threads about to strip?).

    good luck
     
  11. PSP

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    Is it possible that the wheel wasn't all the way pushed back on the splines or that the splines had a slightly damaged area that didn't allow the wheel to slip all the way back?

    I don't know if you have, but I would take the wheel off entirely, then slide it back on the splines 90 degrees rotated from where it was - then try tightening it again.
     
  12. MS250

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    All four were done the same. This mechanic only does fcars, and many trs/boxers. Im pretty confident it wasnt mis install, the other 3 were all tight perfect.

    Has anyone heard of the inner piece being stripped before ? is that possible ?
     
  13. PSP

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    I've never heard of that happening

    Normally if the inner piece was stripped, taking the wheel nut completely out would reveal metal shards on the threads.
     
  14. Jeff Pintler

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    It is possible someone tried to loosen the bolt on the RR by turning it the wrong way. The LR comes off CCW and the RR comes off CW so someone could have turned it the wrong way and with a big wrench cracked the bolt. The crack forms in the valley of the uppermost thread and you can only see it by a water emulsion floresent penetrant test. Don't ask how I know this. A new bolt is like $700 but they are available. Be very careful driving the car until this is checked out. Also, get the Hill Engineering socket to fit the bolts from Ricambi....it is a thing of beauty YMMV.

    Jeff Pintler
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  15. Rifledriver

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    I have seen cracked bolts but never a damaged female thread.
     

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