Rookie in need of assistance '94 348 Spider | FerrariChat

Rookie in need of assistance '94 348 Spider

Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by jm348, Mar 21, 2007.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. jm348

    jm348 F1 Rookie
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Mar 21, 2007
    3,017
    Redondo Beach, CA
    Full Name:
    Jeff M
    In the middle of my first repair since I have had the car (9 mos) After replacing these cat temp sensors I would like to do a Tubi exhaust with Hyperflow cats and free flow air filter. Any known issues with these sensors or dash lights after the modifications? The car is a '94 348 Spider. With the old units I had 2 instances where the warning lights would come on and slow the car down then shut back off. Both times were at night when it was cool and the shop thinks the silicone seals are old and possibly letting moisture in? Sound reasonable? Thanks

    Jeff
     
  2. jm348

    jm348 F1 Rookie
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Mar 21, 2007
    3,017
    Redondo Beach, CA
    Full Name:
    Jeff M
    In the middle of my first repair since I have had the car (9 mos) After replacing these cat temp sensors I would like to do a Tubi exhaust with Hyperflow cats and free flow air filter. Any known issues with these sensors or dash lights after the modifications? The car is a '94 348 Spider. With the old units I had 2 instances where the warning lights would come on and slow the car down then shut back off. Both times were at night when it was cool and the shop thinks the silicone seals are old and possibly letting moisture in? Sound reasonable? Thanks

    Jeff
     
  3. MarkoP

    MarkoP Karting

    Jun 15, 2004
    91
    AZ
    Full Name:
    Marko Pesakovic
    Yes, sound reasonable, these little B@stards are not cheap either. You should not have any problem with the aftermarket exhaust, I know of a few owners that have done this already with no side-effects.
     
  4. jm348

    jm348 F1 Rookie
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Mar 21, 2007
    3,017
    Redondo Beach, CA
    Full Name:
    Jeff M
    I appreciate the response...as this is my first time here. Yes, you are correct those little b@stards are expensive!! I should be getting her back today and if all is well looking forward to the exhaust within the next month or so. Thanks again!!

    Jeff
     
  5. Ricambi America

    Ricambi America F1 World Champ
    Sponsor Owner


    Extremely reasonable. Check to see if the Cat ECU's have black epoxy seals or green seals. Black = old and yucky. Green = fresh and yummy.
     
  6. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

    May 21, 2005
    72,740
    Vegas+Alabama
    Full Name:
    Mr. Sideways
    Hyper-Flow cats and Tubi is/are a good upgrade. You might, repeat, might run a wee bit more lean than before due to their better gas flow, but typically the Motronic 2.7 adjusts to them after your first ECU reset.

    They are not known to cause cat ecu problems.

    That being said, if you have been getting SLOW DOWN lights then you will want to check your main air fuel Motronic computers' error codes.

    A real cat ecu error is supposed to be accompanied with a 4122 cat-temp-too-high error code. It would be good to know (for you) if you got it or if your exhaust ecus were just throwing your SLOW DOWN lights without sending errors to Motronic. or whatever. Anyway, just check your error codes (see link in my signature).
     
  7. MarkoP

    MarkoP Karting

    Jun 15, 2004
    91
    AZ
    Full Name:
    Marko Pesakovic
    Welcome to FChat, you just found another place to consume your time, HAHA. This is a great forum, sometimes people get emotional, but there is a wealth of knowledge in here.
     
  8. jm348

    jm348 F1 Rookie
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Mar 21, 2007
    3,017
    Redondo Beach, CA
    Full Name:
    Jeff M
    Just picked up the car after the cat temp sensors and all systems are a go!!
    Running great, fresh oil change and a couple of new radiator hoses later I am back in business. Looking forward for the exhaust work....thanks for the replies...talk soon!!

    Jeff
     
  9. jm348

    jm348 F1 Rookie
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Mar 21, 2007
    3,017
    Redondo Beach, CA
    Full Name:
    Jeff M
    Just got her back from the shop with 2 new cat temp sensors...and everything is looking good. Since it was up on the lift anyway did a fresh oil change and replaced a couple of cruddy looking radiator hoses. No warning lights and running great so far...looking forward to the exhaust upgrade soon. The cat temp sensors are different from the ECU's correct?....but do some people call them cat ecu's? So my Motronic 2.7 ecu's will automatically reset with the exhaust changes and the new cat temp sensors don't adjust but will work with the changes I believe. Thanks

    Jeff
     
  10. Ricambi America

    Ricambi America F1 World Champ
    Sponsor Owner

    technically, the temp sensor is the probe (thermoprobe) shoved into the cat itself. The cat ECU is the little computer box that interprets the temperatures from the probe and takes some electrical action (or inaction).
     
  11. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Nov 19, 2001
    22,620
    The Brickyard
    Full Name:
    The Bad Guy
    Yes that is correct. The Motronic ECU controls the engine. They are the units that shut the engine down when they get a over heating signal from the "cat ecu's". There is a difference between the sensor, and the cat ecu. The "cat sensor" is actually called the thermocouple. That is the thing plugged directly into the catalytic converter. The thermocouple acts as a thermometer, which then sends the catalytic converter temperature signal to the cat ecu, which then sends that info to the Motronic ecu.
    No.

    In order to reset the ecu's, you need to disconnect the battery. After the car has sat all night, disconnect the negative cable from the battery, wait about 15 seconds then reconnect it. Now make sure that the car is out of gear and start it. DO NOT touch anything, just let it sit and idle for about 15 minutes, again WITHOUT touching ANYTHING. Not the clutch, not the breaks, not the throttle, nothing. You will hear the engine changing rpm's as the Motronic ecu's relearn the warm up parameters. After you hear the cooling fans kick on at least once you should be good to go. Now take it out for a nice 30 minute drive.
     
  12. jm348

    jm348 F1 Rookie
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Mar 21, 2007
    3,017
    Redondo Beach, CA
    Full Name:
    Jeff M
    This clears up my initial confusion...seems pretty simple now. I will run the initial start up and learning sequence by my local shop and be sure they are on the same page. Thank you both for your input!!

    Jeff
     
  13. GCalo

    GCalo F1 Veteran

    Sep 15, 2004
    7,645
    Northern California
    Full Name:
    Greg Calo
    I think you car is shutting down from excitement over your girl!!!
     
  14. jm348

    jm348 F1 Rookie
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Mar 21, 2007
    3,017
    Redondo Beach, CA
    Full Name:
    Jeff M
    The Dealer said to have her removed will cost 50% of what I have now and 50% of any future earnings + 50% of any vested retirement benefits +++ spa days, hair/nails, tanning, designer clothes and bags ++++ etc...................
     

Share This Page