Will someone please explain this to me?

Around what corner???

Oh now I wish I had never said that.. Please enough! enough! You win! You win! You win!
Mr. Moderator please erase my remark. I have sinned and have mis-spoken. Please forget I ever said anything!

 

Uhhh, sorry dude, the Exige S I don't have but that I saw down at Symbolic would kick the 612 you weren't planning to buy anyway.

Pwned!

And the Pagani is the coolest car made ever in history. (How much money would I need to make to get one, though?)

 

I read in Car and Driver that the 612 has a better 0-60 though.

 

Bench racing only works with video... most of the time. Sometimes there are confounding variables that ruin the results, other times, their are TRULY quantifiable statistics that can be used to compare two cars.

The most important thing (unless you track) is how the car feels. The rest simply does not matter, as performance will go accordingly with good "feel".

 

My Ram hemi truck and 308 are about the same 0-60...which do you think I'd rather drive?

A 427 vette or a 427 Corbra will do 0-60 in well under 5 seconds...neither can be comfortably driven for more than an hour......and after a couple hours of drving you rneed a chiropractor.

0-60, 1/4 mile times are one of the lamest benchmarks of overall car value, drivability or usefullness.

 

I like 'Ring times as the overall benchmark of all performance.

 

Depends what you're gonna buy at Home Depot.

 

Not 100% sure about that, Accords are pretty slow and Ferraris are pretty fast. I would be willing to say Kimi could drive a corvette faster than most can drive an F1 car though.

 

I'd rather have a Ram Hemi truck than a 308, at least you can drive the hemi 7 days a week and put actual miles on it.

 

We'll just call you Hemidude... turning down a Ferrari for a truck. Bah!

 

That would be cool to see. Seriously, I would love to see a skilled driver wring the most out of a basic automobile.

That's an interesting take, never thought of it like that. That said, a magazine's published numbers are a way to start an argument but personal experience is how to end it.

-F

 

Well...I will say 0-60 times get you a ballpark idea, maybe. I can go 0-60 in my (mostly) unmolested Europa in 7 seconds. Not that bad but a Civic can out do me off the line. On the exit ramp of the highway? I'm doing 80 and the Civic can't do 60. My Accord can do 138 MPH according to the pundits, while the Lotus tops out at about 125 although I'm ashamed to admit I've never had it at top speed. So? The Honda is BORING at all speeds, the Lotus is a blast at 40.

Cars are SO much more about statistics. Someone recently posted his MG was more fun than something else; well my Europa is more fun than an NSX, and I bet a 308 is more fun than a 360 when used in an appropriate way. Depends what you want. 0-60 get a Viper or Vette. Blow the doors off the ricers. Want to have fun at 40-80 MPH? get a 308. Want to have fun at the track? Get a 360 or an Elise. But the Elise is a PITA on a 200 mile highway trip, the 360 is just fine. The 360 isn't a car to park in the strip mall (door dings, etc.) but I take my Europa to the bowling league.

I'd sure love to have an Enzo but i wouldn't take it bowling, so maybe I'm better off with my cheap thrills Lotus.

Ken

 

Hemidude = Rear Admiral

 

I have a Vette.... tried to race a Mondial once but the owner was too busy picking up MILFs

 

I have had people come up to me and say that very thing. "My Corvette/Trans Am is faster than that 308". I always say sure I agree but let's park them in a parking lot and see which one draws a bigger crowd.

 

Noah, no offense, please, but I don't understand your post at all.

 

But the stigs laptime in the Lp640 was faster than the CGT, and the CGT was faster than the 599 in that infamous drag race video, therefore the lp640 is better!!!

 

True. I've never carried a stopwatch with me when I drive. Doe it feel good? Yes. Does it make my day? Yes. Have I checked out the data from R&T or other souce? Yes. Do I really care. No. However, at least some of these folks are quoting a source. I hate it when talking with someone who suffers from that uniquely American disease, sayingitmakesitsoitis.

 

I'm most confused by your initial post and can't figure out what the point you are making is. From my interpretation, I guess you are getting at people who pass off opinion as fact (which drives me up the wall too), though I don't quite get what you're saying about people who've read something in a magazine and then quote it. What's wrong with that - the whole purpose of car magazines is surely that they are run by enthusiasts and experts who share their experiences with those of us who haven't had the experience ourselves, or who value the opinion of someone with greater experience (or a combination of greater expereince and knowledge). Therefore what is wrong with the reader then passing on the experience of the magazine writer?

Even if someone hasn't had first hand experience of driving a car, does that mean that they are not entitled to an opinion? Not in my book. Also performance figures are dependent on so many variables - weather, how fast someone changes gear, etc - that they are rarely an entirely accurate comparison - until someone creates an indoor climate controlled test centre and a robot that drives every car in an absolutely identical way, with which every car on the planet can be tested, then they are simply a guideline. That last sentence is of course, merely my personal opinion.

Also, everyone is different and their opinion is based upon different beliefs and circumstances; we all also base our car buying on different criteria too. In addition to that, from your profile it appears that you are not a Ferrari owner yourself, yet your post seems to suggest that non-owners shouldn't have an opinion. Please don't take any offense to anything I've said, as it is not intended. I'm most confused by what the point you are making is and trying to work out what it is - some clarification would be very helpful.

 

I understand what you mean now - and I agree. It's a pet peeve of mine when non-owners tell owners they've bought the wrong car, or another car is better, etc. I wouldn't completely discount magazines as being of no merit whatsoever, but IMHO it is always prudent to remember that someone who has put his money into a car did so for a reason and that you shouldn't criticise him for that