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i might just take you up on your offer, FBB. i will be needing a clutch replacement in the near future. i've been looking through the workshop manual and it mentions using an sd1 when bleeding the system and setting the new clutch position value the pis and io calibrations can be manually set if you want to take a look at the workshop manual send me a pm Jayz
Read the whole thread. I agree 100% with Fatbillybob. Rifledriver is just trying to justify the $XXXX/hour
Well, in all fairness I had a 348 CLM race guru give me a couple of invaluable tips that opened my eyes to how the 348's ECU's were chipped. But for sheer Dollars, I spent less than $200 for the Programmer's Studio software, BATRONIX eprom reader/programmer, and the M27C256B F6 chips. The graphing software for the fuel-air curves and ignition timing was/is shareware (read: free) thanks to the Porsche fanatics (took a little re-working on my side but no big deal). After that, it was a breeze to reprogram Plugzit's itb-modified 348. Plus, I dig getting into the Ferrari this deep. I can turn on fans early, change the fuel/air mixture under various load conditions at RPMs of my choosing, can change the ignition timing, coil charging, error codes, etc. Ferraris are for fanatics. The deeper that you dig into these cars, the more cool they become. Heck, if I just wanted to kill some time I could make the Motronic ECU's flash the CEL's to signal time to shift. I could reprogram the ABS to have launch control and traction control (OK, that would take some serious effort). But this is *supposed* to be a hobby. We're supposed to want to dig into these babies like you did with your flywheel conversion.
O.K. you are on! Near future is perfect. I have my engine out now for routine engine service and suspension checks and to fabricate a removable front bumper for my Carbon fiber splitter (car is so low I can't get on the trailer w/o 100ft ramps) and to fabricate a rear diffuser. So a month or three out is perfect. If you have the 355 Workshop manual on CD you can emial me the whole thing or parts to [email protected] and I'll read it to get a better sence of what is happening. By the way, do you remember when a 355 owner right here on Fchat lost his F1 pump and the quote for a new one was like $10,000! Ernie said no way and found out who made the pump and the owner bought it for like 1000 bucks. That is the power of diy'ers. In the days of the now defunct Ferrari-list I suggested matching the bearing number on the bearing and buying from local bearing houses and people thought I was crazy. Now it is 2007 doesn't that seem silly and obvious?
1000 bucks for an f1 pump....now that's saving a lot of $$$ it's contributions like this from all the DIY'ers that help the ferrarichat community. you can really relax and enjoy driving your car when you know that it won't cost you an arm and a leg if it breaks down. FBB, check your pm box Jess
Actually it was $830 quid, (that's UK for bucks ) http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=141089 So with the exchange rate the way it is right now it's about $1,600 US, or so.
JayZ, I got the manual sections. I'll read them and give you an opinion. With the rest of the Stooges you are in good hands and we have honorary Stooge, "Gothspeed" with a 355 so if we get stuck we can take his apart!
FBB, with your help, the Stooges and honorary Stooge Gothspeed, i feel confident that if there's an alternate procedure for replacing the f1 clutch, we'll find it. and Gothspeed, thank you for FBB's contribution of your 355. if we get stuck and your 355 needs to come apart for comparison, don't worry. i'll see to it that not many parts are left over after we put her back together. JayZ
I have set the 355 clutches by the manual method, and it worked very well. However I would NOT attempt to do a 360 F1 clutch this way. It is a much more complex program then the 355. The 355 F1's I have done the clutches in, are all still going strong, and all have had well over 5000km put on the "new" clutches.
Howie from what i can see in the WSM there is only a 2 step procedure after clutch replacement: 1. PIS self-calibration 2. New closed clutch value were you able to set the new closed clutch value manually or did you ommit this step any advice greatly appreciated Jess
The workshop never did cover the subject. The vast majority of F1 information came in the form of hand outs and lectures. There are several other steps that require an SD1,2, or 3 to perform. As Tom said you can get lucky but most problem clutches, short lived clutches and clutch operation problems are as a result of those steps either not being carried out or incorrectly carried out. I have replaced quite a few 355 and 360 clutches that were just "Installed" and never worked right or were very short lived as a result. Tom, forget 5,000 km. When you get one to go 75,000 km, let me know.
Well I do wonder on mine...records show 2 clutches in the past 10k miles, and every time 106% clutch wear (2 yrs ago, and my recent PPI). Sounds like something wasn't reprogrammed correctly....
I agree with rifledriver. I too have seen recently replaced clutches go up in smoke because of the p.i.s either not being set properely or not at all. The strategy is totally different on a 360. Sure, do the d.i.y swop yourself, but surely getting it set right after would stop the whole exersise becoming a waste of time and money?
Unfair statement. Brian/Rifledriver has "unconditionally" gone out of his way to help me (and many others here) at +1600 miles away than my own mechanic 5 miles away. Those of you within his proximity should feel very fortunate to have him on your speed dial.
Which brings up my questions. Since you have the documentation, I'm assuming the work was performed at a dealer, correct? Well IF it was performed at a dealer, who is supposed to have all the correct tools, and computers, and training, why all the problems? Aren't they supposed to be the "experts"? Why is it then that these things are wearing out so fast?
I rarely chime in when things like this occur, but I must emphatically disagree with you. Nobody works to *save* customers money harder than Brian. What he does here is attempt to save folks from DIY disasters which end up costing more than simply having the job performed by an experienced Ferrari technician in the first place.
I've done work on my own, and it was fine. I've had Brian work on my cars and he's always done a great job, often above and beyond what was asked. I feel fortunate, that is for sure. Thanks Brian.
Its called "Flatrate". It is a plague that has spread across this country in the last 20 years that has done nothing but create a situation for the mechanics that rewards them for cutting every corner possible to line their own pockets. If the job pays 15 hours and he can find a way to do it in 10 everybodys happy. The service writer and manager are on commission too. If you can find a way to get the job done in such a fashion it will be gone long enough to cause plausable deniability about it really being a comeback all is good. And what better job than a clutch? Worn out in 10,000 miles? Well sir you just need to take better care of it that's all. Flatrate has brought about lower quality work and very severe over selling. I have a 360 here right now that was diagnosed at the local dealer as having bad head gaskets. The car smokes like a Choo Choo train. I was not there but have seen it thousands of times. Mechanic "A" did a headgasket job once and found out he can do it and beat flatrate by a good margin. Because he is making the shop good money at them they are funneling all similar jobs to him. He doesn't even spend much time looking at the car, he just pronounces it in need of head gaskets. Well this guy tows the car out and to me. I cannot find one single symptom that there is a head gasket failure. Oh..the smoke??? It was blue, not white. The oil was overfilled. People don't care much for unions and I really don't either but when this trade was largely unionized the mechanics were a much higher level of competency and honesty.
And to you you Fuc king Loser GO FUC KYOURSELF You are not needed here and you are not wanted here. And if you ever come to the Bay Area Shi t for brains, come by the shop. I want to tell you in person.
Don't sugar coat it, tell him what you really think!! Some idiots think that fixing their car should be some kind of priviledge. They expect maintenance costs to be like what they pay to keep the Chevy going. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
