Whats the purpose of this LAMBORGHINIREGISTRY??

All I can say is, I could never imagine why someone would describe a Lamborghini as a "decent" car...ESPECIALLY A MIURA S! That is an amazing machine.

 

Does sound odd that the same car could go from "This car is the nicest in the USA today, we better hurry and grab it" to "decent".

FWIW, I sent the details of my car into the registry about three months ago but the g spyder page still shows no updates since last June.

 

I take it that someone doesn't like you very much Roy?

 

from 'the nicest car'...to 'decent'...it's perfectly understandable...changing circumstances will change attitudes. and as far as just 'talking cars'--the previous posts...this site is for enthusiasts and owners to discuss varying topics. that includes the ins and outs of the trade/the industry as well. would it be better if we couldn't talk about buying/selling experiences? i would think that sort of thing is highly relevant. 'just want to talk cars'...well, sir, 'talking cars' involves many other important issues besides 'it handles great', 'i love the this color'...etc, etc... when something is pontentially harmful to both buyers or sellers, i for one am all eyes and ears...

 

How could it possibly change from "the nicest car" to "decent" with a simple change of the owner? OBVIOUSLY as Roy stated, no one has looked at the car. Decent is it has a couple scratches and it still drives pretty good, not simply magnificent.

 

It seems that if one of the members here (we know who) had listened to his parents when they said "IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY.....SAY NOTHING AT ALL!" He wouldn't be getting hammered by the members whose cars he has slandered!

 

I don't have an issue with a 'rookie,' such as Hammermfg, expressing his discomfort with Roy's calling Joe out on this one, but I do agree that the forum is meant for this, as much as for other issues relating to the cars. In fact, we have had the benefit, from postings by Roy, Joe and others, of real market prices and history to some of the cars that have shown up in the last couple years, insight and info that would otherwise not be possible to obtain elsewhere.

On the merits, the 'sale proof' comment is a swipe, no different than saying that the car is grossly overpriced. Whether the Registry, or Joe, is right about that is another question. (I remember that low mileage factory Daytona spyder that was floating around forever in the hands of various dealers- the Marrone one- at around $440k when other factory spyders, with higher mileage were easily 100-150k dollars less. In a few short years, I think that Marrone car became a relative bargain, even if the color was a matter of taste).
I have not looked at the Registry for a while. If it purports to be a central index of 'record' for the history and ownership of the cars, perhaps the snide comments are inappropriate. Otherwise, if Joe is saying that the site is to be read as a subjective journal, no different, say, than SportsCarMarketplace, with some known biases and witty asides, then it should be recognized for what it is.
I didn't interpret the 'decent' to be a put-down; rather, that it is a 'good' car, but ain't goin anywhere at the price allegedly sought.
Of course, if the pricing info is now inaccurate, that should be taken into account in reading the Registry as well.

You two guys have shared some tension here before. If Joe can put his comments into the category of 'witty,' I think Roy, in fairness, can call him on it. It may be needless to say, but both of you make valuable contributions to this board.

 

you apparently didn't understand what i wrote...it went from 'nicest' to 'decent' due to the change of circumstances between the two parties...NOT the change of ownership. this happens all the time in all walks of life. let me put it this way...when Roy was buying the car from JS, at the time they appeared to be 'chums', even if only by the thread of $... and afterwards, when circumstances changed between the two individuals and a less 'chummy' jiff grew...you can see how one side would feel inclined to be 'witty' or a 'smarta$$' towards the other. 'nicest'....'decent'....etc, etc..

 

-if in fact joe has anything to do with the registry or has any pull there,
-if in fact joe did confirm the "nicest car.bla bla bla when he sold/offered the car to roy...
-if in fact the "joe" did change the description to "decent",

it is pretty clear that there was / is a motive there...one doesnt need to be a judge to understand that roy got "the treatment" on this one....

one thing i hate seeing is abuse on the forums and manipulation ON REGISTRIES.

i for one, had told glen...if i sold one car off the advertising on the registry, i would pay for the spot he has given a US FOR A TRY ... and we did sell that car to the fellow in the philippines...i am paying for a one year deal...

so far , after 9 years of sending info and interating to some level with glen, i never heard or had any issues with glen.never any problems.

maybe glen HAS nothing to do with this.

it is sad to see that the 2 most popular people around these high$ lambos are getting into such a bad fight.... and yes, it is a very bad fight.
if i were roy and these statements made are true, i'd be going nuts ! i'd already have attorneys on the case and i'd be spending $$ to get even... but again, that is me...

YES,THESE ARE MATTERS OF FORUMS, AND SPECIALLY THIS FORUM.

we are talking about an issue surrounding lamborghinis... and very special ones..

we are talking about very special ,specific info on a miura....

we are talking about foul play at a certain level...

i sell maybe 25 lambos per year....

i send glen ALL info and pics on all cars ...for him to build his registry..
i have no advantage to that.. it is for him that i do this..

originally, glen had contacted me 9 years ago.. i owned a countach..took all info for a registry he was building.

i encouraged him and assisted him...to this day.

 

repeatedly advertised on ebay, is of no "factual" relevance to a registry.

Agree w/ WHART's comments - both great contributors, looks as if relationship has run its course though.

 

you made a name for yourself with the older lambos... even though we have never met and dealt, i see and hear about you .. that alone is enough to let me understand you are well anchored into the lambo market...

but , this stunt , "if" true, is a HUGE problem .. it is the kind that leaves a bad taste... fix it. and fix it fast...


since you know the car well,i am SURE you can and know what to write in the description box....you dont need to wait till roy calls.... the written email sent to roy when offering the car is what you need to write in there !

 

happy passover and good yom tov.

again, if indeed the emails sent to you from joe when you were buying this car are what you say,
you have my blessing and you have the obligation to keep the thread rolling and up to date until it is resolved.

the lamborghini registry is an important place for lambo collectors and i use it as well...
but something like this NEEDS to be adressed..and specially if there was manipulation of info in order to gain a certain edge....

if everything you said is true, you have my support .

 

It is time for you, to purchase a pre-82 Lamborghini !

Can we find a car for you ? I am putting the matzah down for the moment. lol
LP 400
LP 400S1
350 GT
Miura
Islero

 

Steve,
Good points. BTW to mirror on what Whart says, yes the Registry entries when left to us are simply sometimes witty, sarcastic etc etc like SportsCarMarket.
BUT it is agreed that it doesnt always go down well and some can be offended. A "decent" car means many things but to me it is positive and if you told me you had a "decent" Diablo Id be quite interested. All that aside, I already apologized in writing to Roy on this very thread.
Now the mechanics of making sure that owners are happy with the postings of their car are that they are encouraged in the Registry's written mission statement (see About Us) to submit a few lines about their car if what is posted is not sufficient or to their satisfaction. Many Miura owners who really care do this (See Alberto's wonderful peice on his 1021).
So Steve, it would be wrong of me to file another entry for Roy's car since he has complained about it, lest I make another "mistake" in my choice of words. The Registry & I stand to be corrected if desired, and the proper thing to do would be for us to respectfully allow Roy to coin a breif description of the car that he is comfortable with and have that posted, just as would be expected of any owner who states that the posting is inaccurate/incomplete etc.
BTW, bear in mind, there is no funding for the Registry at all (I try a little here), so sometimes it is weeks and more before a submission is posted, and Im sorry if anyone feels their info was not prioritized. Send anything you can/wish to [email protected] and he should have it up as soon as he catches up.

Joe
www.JoeSackey.com

 

I too agree, the ebay comment was out of line. "Offered for sale on xxx date for xxx dollars" would have sufficed. Many of us dealers look at ebay (in one sense) as basically a 1-week ad. So what if it's run a few times. You never know when you're going to catch the prospective buyer at the right time as they are looking. Every person's search starts at a given point in time. You can't expect to run a 1-week ad and figure you've found them all! To some people not as versed in the exotic car community (and there are many!) ebay is a very natural place to start. I've even talked to some people that simply watched that site exclusively until the car they were looking for came up!

 

A well known L dealer once told me, that Ebay was nothing but an advertising forum for their dealership.


He told me that they usually do not want a potential sale, to go thru eBay. According to the salesman, most eBay sales of exotics, do not end up being completed.


If the sale goes thru eBay, it usually will require that the car be taken off of the market for several business days. - That is not a good thing for a dealer. With that, potential customers are told the car has been pre-sold, and that they will be happy to call back, if the deal falls through. Of course in the present, the potential buyer, will simply keep looking.

 

so this is ferrari chat.
where there are many many many did i say many cars valued over $1,000,000.00.
then there is the lamborghini section where nothing is over $1,000,000.00
and lets not go down the miura spyder road.
so now a potential high dollar automobile owner / collector is considering expanding into perhaps the purported , subjective , best possible / expensive lamborghini.
so the acqusition of a miura s/v comes up.
the intelligent ,experienced , automobile collector , reads this crap and does not hesitate one second to discard the thought of the potential purchase of this marque and this their most expensive model.

see potential collectors do not like their asset's valuations to be adjusted by emotional individuals .
thats what the stock market is for.
cars should be fun.
sure expensive but fun.

i would like to suggest this get fixed now.
before reality hits and all that will have been accomplished is screwing up the legacy of a wonderful car for clearly personal reasons.

LETS EVERYONE FIX IT AND KNOCK IT OFF NOW

 

the only difference here with this situation joe is that there was already a description in there..that was unchanged since posted.... that was never requested by the owner to be changed ...... that had no reason to be changed....

all of a sudden, someone modifies it (for the worst).. and by the tone of you two friends, it seems that there may have been some account settling using the registry....and since it seems like you are the one that has the access, therefore it seems like you were the one to go there and modify the info....

since glen had no idea on the car it couldnt have been glen...

but joe,
who cares about who and what... at the end of the day, the only sad thing is that 2 people are fighting...in a fight,everyone loses... you lose your clean cut reputation with a story like this, roy loses a maybe-sale of his miura because of bad publicity.....

i am no judge and wont be one...i havent seen or know about that car.. and even if i did, i would never go out to give my opinion on such a big piece....

but since you were the one to sell it, you know better..

since we all know you sold the car and that you described it very accurately,

I FIND IT VERY HARD TO BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE OF YOUR STATURE AND ACCURACY IN THE DESCRIPTION OF THESE CARS CAN MAKE A MISTAKE...

LET ALONE LET A MIURA GET A NON-ACCURATE DESCRIPTION ON THE REGISTRY AND MORE THAN ANYTHING....LET ALONE ONE THAT U SOLD !

had i sold a car of that stature...a very rare museaum piece...and i know that it was called decent car on the registry, i would myself intervene to correct it...

now,what everyone finds funny is that all was ok until SOMEONE intentionally changed the description.
if you have an answer to that last statement , then please answer it .. that is all that is keeping this thread going ! lets all put it to rest.

 

+1

 

Well I'm certainly going to have to read this whole thread sometime. And that statement is just so true, and that goes for the other cars too.

I'm glad to see the lights being turned up here so we can see the real personalities involved.

Roy, you're far from the first person to have a complaint like this. Far from it.

Cheers,

Fred

 

This is fun !!

Got my super large popcorn and Large Diet Coke, gonna be a long movie, huh!

Nothing to say (for once)

 

So true. In the more rarefied heights of vintage Ferrari collecting, there is little intrigue, fraud, hypocrisy or back-biting. Lord who? What serial number? I'll go back to sleep now.

 

no tom, WE WILL not add fuel to this one... these fellows have too much to lose for us to be having fun. this is a serious issue with high $$ cars...

lets go in,assist,regulate with creating hurt and step back out and close the thread.

so far, joe has apologized .... but for what ? i dont know... he was not specific.

he has lots at stake and i am sure he will clarify...
hopefully, everyone will be happy again in 2 weeks from now and we'll all turn the page.

no popcorns on this thread please.