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Is Lewis Hamilton the next Micheal Schumacher ?

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  1. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Actually 1 was a lot more obvious as cheating than 3. 3 could be considered a racing incident.

    Having said this, I still wouldn't call MS a cheat. 3 incidents in such a long career which truly was built on his talents and efforts and not on his cheating, isn't much anyway. It shows flaws in his character, but who's without fault?
    Worst case scenario you could deduct the title he won against Hill because of #3. But then again that whole season was manipulated by the FIA (to prevent an early champion and give Hill a better chance) with the idiotic ban of MS based on his cerrated plank at Spa.

    Calling Alonso a cheat is equally way off. Brake testing Doorknob wasn't cheating. It wasn't sportsmanlike, but Alonso didn't gain from it.

    And blocking Massa? You're probably talking about Monza qualifying and the only cheaters there were the race stewards who made that silly call that nobody understood.

    PS: I really don't look at any of the drivers and think he is a cheat. Teams cheat sometimes with liberal interpretations of the rules, but normally that doesn't last that long anyway. And often the punishment is a lot harder than the advantage gained (e.g. Honda's 2nd tank). Now about that Renault "launch control"...:)
     
  2. barbazza

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    Oh no, the morality police are back...
     
  3. barbazza

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    Of course there will be another Senna. There already is. Bruno! :)
     
  4. dretceterini

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    Driving skill is one thing, but both Senna and MS were self absorbed obnoxious jerks, who, in spite of their skill, ran people off the road or tried to...
     
  5. ferraridude615

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    Spot on, once again. Schumacher's "mistakes" came because of his immense will to win.
     
  6. ferraridude615

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOGiguIUyZ4, watch this video and I dont think its possible to call Senna an obnoxious jerk anymore.
     
  7. Senna1994

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    Thanks for the video, I don't think iether of these guys were obnoxious and clearly neither were jerks.
     
  8. tifosi12

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    Thanks for that link, never saw that footage.

    Apart from that Senna as well as Schumacher have set up charity foundations for children etc giving away wast amount of their money (also while Ayrton was still alive).

    Have they been egomaniacs and jerks on the track by trying to run off some of their competitors? You bet. Just like many guys at my local go kart track where the trophy is made of plastic and worth 5 bucks. It comes with the territory, particularly when the stakes are high.

    I was mega pissed when MS did the Monaco parking just as I was screaming at Senna when he deliberately took out Prost in Japan. But I get over it eventually and life goes on. Would MS walk around the next corner, I'd be the first in line for an autograph.
     
  9. RonnieF430Spider

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    Spoken like a true Ferrari hater.
     
  10. Senna3xWC

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    Schumacher, despite what some would believe, is not Ferrari.

    It is quite possible to be a supporter of the Ferrari team without being an apologist for Schumacher's antics.
     
  11. Senna1994

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    Ronnie, more like an MS Hater than a Ferrari Hater...
     
  12. racerx3317

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    People do rash things while under pressure, it's only natural. Some rasher than others but still different people react differently under pressure. To think it would be a reflection on a person's true self is simply wrong. Both Senna and MS and some others were questionable tacticwise on track but no one can say well that's just how they are. Someone can be the most wonderful human being outside of the car but turn into monsters in the car. Heck i even did it once, i was having a bit of fun with two friends on a kart track and we agreed to have a couple of recon laps before going all out. The agreement lasted about one corner before i passed them both in one corner. In the heat of battle i forgot about the agreement and pulled a Senna, lol. They both did wonderful things for others probably many things that people don't even know about.
     
  13. aedmon640

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    Lewis will win quite a few championships.

    I also believe he will outscore Alonso this year
     
  14. micchin

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    Provided Ron Dennis allow him to do it.After all they spent so much money sign Alonso and allow he to be beaten by A rookie?
    But who knows?
    If Felipe Massa can win from Kimi then may be Lewis can too.
     
  15. Senna3xWC

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    Kimi makes at least 5X what Massa makes, does this mean Ferrari is favoring Kimi?

    Ron Dennis has invested a great deal in Hamilton's career, why would he jeopardize that to favor Alonso? I think RD wants to win, first and foremost, he will favor whichever driver can do that. Given that this is the same guy who partnered Prost & Senna and Kimi & JPM, I find it hard to believe that he would play favorites. Dennis' strategy has always been to put the two strongest drivers he can get in equal machinery and let them go at it.

    For the record, Lewis is far likelier to give Alonso a challenge than Massa is to Kimi.
     
  16. Senna1994

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    I think Alonso has more in reserve than he has let on this season. I think Lewis has more potential than the rest of these guys, lets see how the season plays out.
     
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  18. fiorano94

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    I agree 100%!!

    Love Ferrari, just not MS.
     
  19. cantsleepnk

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    http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070413/FREE/70409021/1001


    Well ,according to Keke Rosberg Hamilton reminds him of the great Gilles in terms of bravery.Massa sure learned that the hard way last Sunday.

    “He’s unbelievably brave—I mean, Gilles-brave,” Rosberg said.
    That registered. Rosberg fought the late Gilles Villeneuve on many occasions, beginning in Formula Atlantic. “Gilles,” he said, “was . . . totally fearless.”

    "Rosberg knows him from way back, for Hamilton was a teammate of his son, Williams F1 driver Nico, in go-karts. “Trust me,” he said years ago, “that kid is good."


    I hope the kid will drive one day for Ferrari.
     
  20. tifosi12

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    I'm not easily swayed by hype, so it was the performance on track that convinced me. It has been absolutely sensational for his debut 2 races. And today he's two places ahead of Alonso again after Bahrain qualifying! Very, very impressive.


    Onno
     
  22. speedy_sam

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    Is Lewis Hamilton the next Micheal Schumacher?

    To answer this we need to know what made Schumacher special?
    1. Fantastic god given talent to extract max speed from the car. He can win with the second best car easily. He also won with a truck (Spain 1996).
    2. Ability to drive at 100% all race long and all season long. Almost always is on form - You can count the races where he had an off day - very impressive for a man with 250 races to his name
    3. Perhaps the best wet weather driver of all time along with Senna
    4. Fantastic determination to win - he is a racing machine. Completely focused on his family and racing.
    5. Ruthless - hates to lose. Will fight hard for 8th place if it needed. Doesnt give up.
    6. Ability to motivate his team to work as hard as he does. Treated everyone on the team as his family
    7. Perhaps the best test driver in the world. His detailed feedback, poring over the data, consistent speed was what pulled Ferrari from an also ran into a world beater.
    8. Ability to drive around problems. Not too many mistakes that put him out of the race.

    Comparing Lewis Hamilton to Michael would be very premature as this stage. It is clear Lewis is very fast. He is certainly not been overshadowed by Alonso. But Hamilton has never had to build a team up. It is too early to tell.

    I feel Alonso is the closest we have to a Schumacher from what we have seen so far.
     
  23. tifosi12

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    I think #2 could be said about Patrese as well. :)
     
  24. speedy_sam

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    What about the drive at 100% bit. Schumi had possibly as many bad days as Patrese had good days :D
     
  25. tifosi12

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    Patrese always gave it his 100%. That's just not the same 100% as MS had.
    :)
     

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