Mods can be done for F430???

I recomend the Powerchip ecu upgrade, they taylor software for each individual car based on the cars current configuration.
Other companys just do a generic tune (some of which revert back to stock if the battery goes dead), which can cause running issues.
I have put their software on many cars, Ferrari/Porsche and Benz.
No problems, happy clients and a 3 year warrenty.
Call them direct and PM me for more information.

 

What will the extra HP bring you?
A supercharged Novitec F430 has 656 BHP and a 0-100 of 3.7 secs and a top speed of about 216 mph as opposed to 3.9 secs and 198 mph for a stock F430.
So imagine what a modified ECU will bring you. Very little, nearly nothing. IMO it won't be worth the dollars you will spend. You will definitely not drive above 198 mph and I don't think 1/10th of a sec (which might not even happen with a modified ECU) will matter unless you intend to race your F430.

 

Plus I think that will end your warranty with Ferrari...

 

+1 Very valid point.

 

my suggestion is to do mild upgrades.

1. exhaust
2. intake filters
3. highflow cats
4. ecu tune (but make sure you get dyno results)

PM me if you have more question, I will help all I can.

 

True but the idea of tuning your ecu isnt for raw power, 0-60 and top speed arn't all that relavant, its more how the car delivers its power. Itl give extra power throughout the rev range, smooth any flat spots, make it feel a little more torquey, could be the difference in winning or loosing or if thats not your game then more fun. In the process of perfecting my car my ecu was retuned countless times and each time itd maybe gain 1HP here or there throughout the power curve but the car felt different each time. as for the warranty issue it will probably void it so id stay away if you cant afford to experiment.

 

There was an exhaustive thread on this subject some time ago.

It seems that most of the improvements are gained in fuel mileage.

Since no one is able to give confirmed results, why believe the claims?

Powerchip is noted to be a good chip tuner, but I am not sure of their Ferrari expertise.

Find that thread and you'll have many answers.

 

You do any of this stuff and you will void the car's warranty. I've already checked with my Ferrari dealership.

 

I must disagree, each dealership has it's own policy, and according to Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act 15 U.S.C. 2302(C) the dealership must PROVE that the modification DIRECTLY caused the failure.

 

Which means litigation...expensive, time consumptive litigation, litigation that will pit the owner against Ferrari. You lose even if you win.

As Terek pointd out, gains are miniscule. Why buy yourself a potential (probable) headache?

 

Yes, I totally agree, keep your car 100% stock, don't bother modding it like the rest of us, stay in FEAR of the dealership and let them walk all over you for wanting to individualize YOUR car.

 

Dealers may have their own policies but they cannot amend or append a manufacturer's warranty.

True litigation is expensive but in most cases such as these the proponent will be victorious,a nd Ferrari wil, ahve to reimburse you for your litigation expenses.

Magnuson-Moss is only part of the deal. Ther's alwso warranty breach, fraud, and a few other claims as well!

Don't be misguided, and while it might be best to avoid problems, there are remedies!

 

Ok, well here is a solution. If the dealer and/ or Ferrari has no grounds for refusing to provide warranty service after a modification, why don't the companies/ installers that provide modifications provide a stipulation in their purchase contract that they will reimburse the purchaser for any and all losses due to Ferrari not honoring the warranty and reimburse you for any litigation to force Ferrari to honor the warranty.

 

Hmmm. Well there does seem to be some tightening up going on. For example, Ferrari has mailed out eons of booklets offering extended warranties. But, no warranty will be offered if the car has any modifications. So there's one form of tightening. Another example, my ferrari dealer was willing to put hyperflow cats in my CS about 6 months before the 3 yr major service I plan to get just before my warranty expires in June. At that time, they said no problem regarding warranties. But now that Ferrari has this new extended warranty campaign, they've informed me that if I put in the Hyperflows now I will void my warranty. And so, I'm waiting until I get the 3 yr. major service (and green light), then immediately installing the Hyperflows which I have sitting now in my office. These are footnotes and don't directly challenge the MMWarranty Act noted above, but they do seem to portray the direction things are going.

 

One definition of wisdom relates to knowing what battles to wage. I, for one, wish to continue ordering and buying new Ferraris. And, I hope, over time, to gain sufficient favor with Ferarri so as to get on their 'factory' list for a supercar. For me, and others similarly situated, a dispute with Ferrari is the last thing I want. Soooo, I'll continue to heavily option my cars and 'suffer' with mere-stock Ferraris. Woe onto me.

 

there is no provision for attorney's fees in a warranty dispute. You might get your filing fee back, but that's peanuts compared to what a lawyer will charge.

Art

 

I as well prefer "suffering" with a stock Ferrari .

 

First and foremost, not trying to start a fight with anyone, so with that being said, Funny thing is this.. There is no litigation even needed, unless there is a catastrophic failure DIRECTLY attributed to an aftermarket part, which I have yet to see. There is an organization which protects consumers from this sort of *bullying* called SEMA www.sema.org not only do they have constituents in D.C. but they work very close with the auto manufacturers as well to help grow their businesses and provide valuable data to them. I see a few of you here who are scared to death of Ferrari, and want to tippy toe around, well this my be okay for you, and it is your option to do so, however I for one will not do that, I always stand for what I believe in. This is the way I was brought up, my family served in WWII, and fought for this country and our freedom and I will not dishonor them. I will go on record for the gentleman who is affraid of getting banned by the *old boys club* for standing firm on what is right and legal, I can and WILL obtain ANY brand new Ferrari supercar in the future that I desire, this I can ASSURE you of, regardless of my position on the warranty situation, Ferrari this is NOT the Gestapo.

This is a generally silly debate as well, this debate stems from the *assumtion* that you will have warranty issues with your car, and remember what happens when you *ass-u-me* things. Modifications can also be construed as ANYTHING if you would like to get technical, this would include radar detectors, floor mats, Ipods, cell phone chargers, etc. IF your dealer wants to get technical he can say that since you had a radar detector in the car, it caused the engine ECU in your car to act funny which in a chain reaction made your catalytic converters and exhaust system to go bad from the use of a radar detector. They can also say that due to the aftermarket floor mats (maybe some nice Keith Collins mats) created excessive electro- static conditions which caused your ECU to go bad or maybe even your windsheild wipers to stop functioning, this sounds rediculous doesn't it? BUT if you allow them to *rule* you this is what they can *technically* do.

For those who wish to remain 100% stock, this is YOUR decision and it is a free country, however I would also like to state that those who wish to personalize their vehicles not to be discouraged, be informed yes, but not discouraged.

 

I agree, I don't want to pushed around by Ferrari. I would like to install an aftermarket exhaust. But on the other hand I don't need the headache IF I need to go to court to standup for my rights. This agrument is best served by the companies that manufacture and install these parts. They loose business by the mere thought of Ferrari not standing up to their warranty. So, as i stated in my previous post, these companies should represent to the buyers of their aftermarket parts that they will litigate at their expense to inforce the Ferrari warranty. If they aren't willing to take the risk of litigation to sell their parts, why should I buy this stuff? It all boils down to this. Someone will need to take Ferrari to court over the modification / void warranty issue and set a precedence. I'm not willing to do that because of time and expense. These companies and their business association should the ones that push the issue. There was a similar issue with Directv and people who rented apartments. Many apartment landlords did not allow tenants to install a dish on their balcony. Directv recognized the issue of lost revenue if these people were prohibited from installing a dish. Directv got their lobbyists together and got a law passed giving tenants the right to put up a dish. Same issue here, the modification manufacturers need to exert their influence and insure Ferrari can't void the waaranty., otherwise there will be lost revenue.

Just my thoughts. I'm not trying to pick a fight.

 

I can not think of a manufacturer, domestic or foreign, that is OK with engine/transmission modifications as they apply to warranty work. Anything that changes even slightly the performance of an engine legitimately affects the warranty. If you put headers on your Pontiac GTO, your warranty becomes null and void. Ferraris recent determination that they were not accepting Tubi as a warranty approved modification had to do with a lawsuit by a Ferrari owner whose ECU changes fried his engine. Ferrari's reaction was to no longer accept any aftermarket performance changes under warranty. If I were in their shoes, I would likely have the same reaction.

Blame should be on the individual that made some changes that negatively affected the engine performance and then tried to stick Ferrari with the bill for his error.

I doubt if any court would argue with Ferrari upholding its warranty policy if you are made aware of that policy when you buy your new car. That would be a truly scary precedent for any manufacturer of any product, not just automobiles. Inasmuch as SEMA needs auto manufacturer support as well as parts manufacturers support, it would be foolish to depend on them in this matter.

An owner should take responsibility for their own actions and not try to stick the problem on anyone else. This has nothing to do with fear of the manufacturer, it has to do with playing the game by the rules.

 

I have to agree, some valid points here.

 

I received this in an email from a fellow FCA member a while back:

To all parts managers,

Re: Use of Non-Genuine Aftermarket Parts


Following an increasing number of vehicle failures and customer complaints
concerning the fitting of non-genuine aftermarket components, I wish to
bring your urgent attention to some of the possible consequences.

FNA has observed more and more dealers becoming involved with the fitting of
non-genuine aftermarket exhausts, different specification non-genuine
wheels, Engine ECU "chipping" (i.e. re-programming), seat modifications,
steering wheel changes and suspension ride height adjustments to name a few.
Each of these has the potential not only to void a customer's warranty, but
could also result in the dealer being held liable for possible product
related issues.

Examples of such potential problems include loss of airbag due to steering
wheel replacement. Engine failure or malfunction, check engine light
illumination, damaged catalytic converters, due to engine ECU reprogramming
and or the fitting of non genuine aftermarket exhausts. Suspension failure
caused by the fitting of different specification non-genuine wheels. Fender
damage, uneven tire wear and handling issues caused by changing ride
heights. These are just a few examples...the list goes on.

As we have communicated to you previously. these modifications are strictly
against Ferrari policy for cars under warranty. I am astounded that a dealer
would carry out any of these modificationson any car of any age as the
potential loss certainly outweighs the short term gain. The vehicles
warranty book clearly states " The limited warranty does not cover misuse,
negligence, overloading, or any type of modifications."

The issue of exhaust systems is becoming more common since model year 05
cars have even more stringent emissions requirements and the threshold for
setting errors is very low. We have cases showing (e.g. 4 Tubi systems in
California last week alone) that with any exhaust modification, an error can
be set in the engine management system and a check engine light will be
visable on the instrument cluster. The long term effects include, but are
not limited to, excessive engine heat, catalyst failure, incorrect air/fule
mixture, and possible engine failure.

This practice must stop immediatly. Any dealer fitting any non-genuine parts
or accessory on a Ferrari that is under warranty will be held responsible
for all consequential repair costs for that car for the remainder of the
warranty period and Ferrari will also hold dealer responsible for any other
related liabilities, e.g., accidents, personal and property damage, etc.

Sincerly

Adam Rowley
V.P. Technical Services
FNA

John J. Maggio
Director, Parts & Accesories Operations
FNA

 

Sounds like FNA is not fooling around regarding modification. Just curious how far they will take the issue. For example, if I put on carbon fiber airbox covers, will they void the warranty if an engine isssue comes up down the road? If I install an aftermarket radio and an electrical issue comes up, will they try to void the warranty? I believe it's a very gray issue between cause and effect when it comes to aftermarket parts.