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  1. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    #802 Diablo_4_Ever, Apr 30, 2007
    I really do not like those US side reflectors or whatever you call them
    BTW I personally like old cars that show some wear
     
  3. joe sackey

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    #803 joe sackey, Apr 30, 2007
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    OK, your sentiments are duly noted :)

    This one does not have the sidemarkers and it shows some wear so Im sure youl approve...

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    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    #804 joe sackey, Apr 30, 2007
    How come Pebble Beach act as if Lamborghini is not a recognized marque? With the beautiful 350 GT, Islero, Jarama, Espada and of course the Miura, how come there is not cause for a regular Lamborghini class?

    Look at their class list for the past 10 years and there is not a single devotion to Lamborghini at Pebble Beach. With the Miura regularly scoring in the eyes of designers and experienced writers world wide as "The Most Beautiful Postwar Sports Car" or the "Number One Dream Car" (see the March issue of Classic & Sports Car) the Miura clearly belongs at events such.

    The last Miura to be shown at Pebble Beach was Roy Cats own P400S, and the last Pebble Beach class for Lamborghinis was 14 years ago in 1993 (my former Miura SV 5038 was shown that year). You can better beleive that Ferrari and Maserati classes are profuse with an annual presence ad nauseum (yawn).
    Just to test the Lambo snobbery theory, my restorer encouraged me to enter our very own fully restored 4884 (the same one voted the Number One Dream Car of all time by C&SC) in the sports car class this year to see what happens. As usual the lame excuses letter followed like clockwork. My restorer has actively lobbied chief judge Ed Gilbertson year after year after year to host a Lamborghini class, with no success.

    Is this event simply too snobbish to bother with? Are they clearly biased against Lamborghinis? Is this not rather pathetic? How say you?

    Joe
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  5. 2NA

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    #805 2NA, Apr 30, 2007
    It does seem as if there is something "personal" afoot with regard to Lamborghini's exclusion.

    There is never a shortage of other Italian cars on the green.

    Could it be that the Lamborghini Marque is "too new" having originated in relatively recent 1963?

    Possibly a call to a fellow Miura owner and perpetual Pebble Beach MC might shine some light on it.
     
  6. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    #806 joe sackey, Apr 30, 2007
    Some say its because the Lamborghini marque is just not taken seriously having no competition history, but, there is clearly a stereotyping and blatant bias going on here and we all know in life those are not good attributes. In my book anything elitist and exclusionary (like Pebble Beach's apparent attitude) is not a good thing and will surely sooner or later be changed for the better.....not so long ago Tiger Woods couldnt play at certain golf clubs, if you know what I mean.

    Consider too that a Concours D'Elegance is all about elegance, styling, design etc.Competition history should be irrelevant.

    Joe
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    PS - Who is this Miura owner MC you speak of? Im not aware of any Pebble Beach affiliate who has a Miura that is up and running and is involved with the Lamborghini marque. You can PM me...
     
  7. joe sackey

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    #808 Diablo_4_Ever, Apr 30, 2007
    Now that is a hot Miura! ;)
    No, I meant that if I would ever own a Miura I would not want it to be in a perfect condition and with that I mean that I would for example not mind if the leather showed some wear or if the exterior would have some scratches. I believe that is what makes the car a classic and gives it a bit 'extra'. To each his own.
     
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    #809 joe sackey, Apr 30, 2007
    Actually I agree with you. Some patina and nicely worn leather can tell a story of the life of the car and has a lot of appeal and charm to many.

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    #811 daviddavid, Apr 30, 2007
    Is the pink primer'd Miura still unrestored? Is it a complete car? Thanks.
     
  12. wbaeumer

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    #812 wbaeumer, Apr 30, 2007
    Joe,sorry - on this point you are wrong. Competition history gives a car (or a manufacturer!) the individual soul, spirit nad sometimes tragic (and today "romantic") fate!
    Lamborghini never went racing - and for our view today this was a mistake. But I am pretty sure that if Ferruccio would have agreed to see the circuits with his cars he would have been financially broke much earlier than he actually was!

    The only "romantic" car that Lamborghini ever produced was - the MIURA! The later Countach with heavy wings etc. suffered in later years from the image to be owned by many very obscure people! This affected the image of that type. The current market situation with the LP 400 vs. the later cars clearly confirms this, as only the early cars are recognised by many influental collectors as collectible.

    Ciao!
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    #813 wbaeumer, Apr 30, 2007
    ...veeeery nice color combination!!! Like that car (...but much more without this $%§§"Xxx!! US-specs!!)

    Ciao!
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    #815 joe sackey, Apr 30, 2007
    Yes and yes.

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    #816 joe sackey, Apr 30, 2007
    Again a good perspective, but as I said, comp history "should" be irrelevant, but I agree that in fact many do indeed make a big deal of it and it adds appeal for them. Obviously not me. LOL.

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    #817 joe sackey, Apr 30, 2007
    Hubert Hahne gave him the keys...

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    #819 roytoy2003, Apr 30, 2007
    Old news...was a done deal when I was in Houston last week already...

    Thanks for the opportunity Ralph...
     
  20. xs10shl

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    #820 xs10shl, Apr 30, 2007
    My understanding is that the Pebble Beach organizers have significantly reduced the number of classes, so there are fewer cars eligible for the event.

    I'd agree that Ferrari is probably over-represented at Pebble, especially since I don't think they've ever given a "Best of Show" to any post-war car.

    It also sounds silly to say so, but a Miura is really too common a vehicle to make the field, probably. Perhaps the Monza or 3500 GTZ could be invited under the new class structure. Can't say either way, because I'm not on the selection committee.

    It appears to me that Pebble is really about the pre-war cars, and Ferrari and the other post-war classes are just there to "fill out the field". In ten or so years, things might shift towards cars from the 50's and 60's.
     
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    #821 ralfabco, Apr 30, 2007

    You also have the classic 350/400GT

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    Roy - PM sent.

    Joe - Thanks for your help !!!!!!!!! It was a lot of work. It was fun. lol.
     
  22. joe sackey

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    #822 joe sackey, Apr 30, 2007
    I agree with all. BUT Ive seen lots of cars in the sports car class as common as a Miura. Maybe the key is Lamborghinis are not old enough, even the 1960s models.

    Joe
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    #823 joe sackey, Apr 30, 2007
    Yes, I didnt mind selling it twice - I just wanted to fulfil my obligation, and as you found out I never give up :)
    Terry is very pleased.

    Ciao,
    Joe
     
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    #824 joe sackey, Apr 30, 2007
    I dont know about "old news", but in my book, there is no such thing as a "done deal" till the funds for the seller are in the bank and the car is fully paid for. According to my records the funds were only received from the California buyer one (1) business day ago on this past Friday the 27th of April at 12 noon, as Ralph no doubt can confirm.

    You may possibly be referring to a previous sale of the same car (yes, for Ralph's sake I sold it again!) which came unglued when the prospective foreign buyer did not come up with any funds.

    Ralph it was a supreme pleasure working for you and getting the job done. That im sure is all that matters....

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    #825 roytoy2003, Apr 30, 2007
    I saw the car in Houston last week, VERY nice car IMO...great driver...

    It was being prepared, from what I was told, by Lamborghini of Houston for the "new" buyer...

    I am sure he will be happy with it, pured just like a Miura should, great buy!
     
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