"Mothers" F40 for sale

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the conclusion is: This is not a real Ferrari or Micholetti built F40 LM. It is a reconstructed 40, painstakingly rebuilt to LM facsimile standards.

It is gorgeous and fast and a great toy. As for the price, it is what a buyer and seller agree upon, no more and no less.

 

Exactly! It may not be a LM but it is certainly a fine example of a replica - probably the best (and only) LM replica in existence. It's not like there are multiple examples to choose from. As Coachi said - it will be worth whatever a buyer and seller agree upon. Chances are it will be sold to a Ferrari nut who would likely be aware of the car's history and I'm sure the offer will reflect that.

 

There might be before too long.

 

You don't know what a kit car is my friend.

 

Aaron White never owned this car or apparently anything in his life! He thought he did but never paid for it thus a deal or transaction never truely happened in the first place.

 

Nobody says its a "real LM" but a recreation of an LM based on Michelotto's own specs.
Race-cars.com unfortunately does not let you distinguish that quite well without re-writing the text over and over. Please read the description on my webpage.

 

Funny took until the second page till someone actually reads Engish and understands without jumping to conclusions. You'd figure in a Ferrari Forum there would be more edumacated people.

 

Nope!

 

The car is free and clear. Remember there are always two sides to that story. Fortunately I know both since I know the mechanic that started the work on the F40 rebuilt as well as I know Roland. An unfortunate incident of two people expecting different things from each other. On such a huge project almost a given.

 

The car was built with original Ferrari parts where possible. There are a lot of custom carbon fibre parts that are "custom" to this car. Things that were not availabel from Ferrari anymore had to be recreated (blueprints) or copied (off a very well known LM I may add). Just as dealing with vintage Ferrari that are crashed these days parts have to be re-created. Does that make it a replica?

 

Here the LM list of cars. So thinks are very easy now: the ex RL car is not one of them, so it is a LM look-a-like with IMO ugly wheels. On ebay are originals for sale. It goes the same for 91979 which is now a full F40 LM GTE look-a-like and not worth the 600k EURO they are asking at Scuderia Auto Neuser in Germany. Photos: http://www.autoblog.it/post/5421/ferrari-f40-gte-michelotto-in-vendita-su-ebay-vera-o-finta/1

The full F40 LM list:

79890, Michelotto 1
79891, Michelotto 2
88521, Michelotto 3
88513, Michelotto 4
88520, Michelotto 5
88522, Michelotto 6
88523, Michelotto 7
88524, Michelotto 8
92235, Michelotto 9
92236, Michelotto 10
92237, Michelotto 11
92238, Michelotto 12
74045, Michelotto 13 (ex F40 street prototype, then F40 LM and later converted by Michelotto into full F40 LM GTE)
95448, Michelotto 14
95449, Michelotto 15
97881, Michelotto 16
97893, Michelotto 18
97904, Michelotto 19
99401, Michelotto 20

Michelotto 17 was not allocated

 

I am trying not to misrepresent this car. It is however more a LM than a regular F40. As such the true definition as used by Roland himself is "F40LM Evolution". In the description I am trying to make clear this is not a factory built LM but rather one that was built based on LM specs with LM parts and copies of a real LM as well as the Michelotto blueprints where available.
In inquiries where I feel that people think this maybe the "real deal" I immediately clarify what exactly this car is so that nobody feels they are mislead.

 

Guys let me sum this up:

1. I posted the car on Race-Cars.com. If you feel I misrepresent the car read the entire listing including the one on my website. I am trying to be as accurate as you possibly can in a small description of a car that needs pages over pages to describe it properly.

2. Is it a true Ferrari? Yes, no question. F40 chassis, F40 engine, F40 parts.

3. Is it a true "LM"? Nobody ever made that claim and if you inquire about the car and it as much as hints that you may think the car is a factory LM you are immediately given a complete history of the car.

4. Overpriced? That depends on a buyers opinion of value. This is not the 355 off the assembly line. It is a one of a kind car. As such there is no value based criteria. The owner has used a formular of current F40 prices vs cost of the conversion to come to the price he is asking. If you don't feel that price is right, don't buy it. If you are looking for a real LM, they are out there and some are for sale. Michael Sheehan has one that is for sale. Yes you will have to dig deeper into your pockets. If you want something that is just as good without spending the extra $$$ here is an alternative.

5. Just as any rebuilt from a wrecked car this one has stirred those that think once a car has a door ding the car is worthless. We have some knuckleheads here that think their cars melt if rain hits them for crying out loud. The factory has proven over the 60 years that if the frame is there and can be salvaged and they want to rebuild it, they do and those cars are out there on the concourse lawns winning prices. The age old question is 0846 a real car or not, please.... read about what the factory did to some mengled chassis and then explain to me why 0846 should not be a real P4.

6. A lot of experts here make a great soup. Unfortunately those that think they are experts....don't! I encourage most of you to read about the Ferrari history and the inside stories of what Enzo did in the 40s, 50s, 60 and 70s and as late as his last years.

There is nothing wrong with reviving a burned or crashed car. We are not hiding it. Roland has not been hiding it in fact if you dig up an old Forza there was a huge article about the car and how it was built and what it was and is today.
Nobody is hiding what the car is. Nobody is intentionally misrepresenting the car.

 

Martin thanks for clarifying that.

 

The problem is that the car was released to him without payment received and so people assumed he bought the car. The car was repo'd quite a while ago. If you want to read up on that there is a "book" about Aaron White in one of the sub chapters. Too lazy to look fo rthe link right now. A qick search will reveil that. Interesting reading.
Actually you should consider an article about not just the cars but the colorful stories behind the cars. That will fill books....

 

"This is one of the best known F40LMs."

Martin, I don't want to sound like a lawyer here, but the quote above is taken directly from your ad. It is the first line under the heading "Description".
This sounds exactly like you are saying, unequivocally, that this car is not only an LM, but one of the best known LM's.

I would suggest that you modify the ad, otherwise you are simply and plainly misrepresenting the car as an LM.

 

Without trying to be a lawyer either you read on and it says:

"It started its life as a street F40..."

You cannot constantly refer to it as "X but it is resurected etc....".

I have to assume that if you buy a $600,000 car you take the two minutes to read through the entire description. I would also assume that if one is truely interested in the car they will call (and yes we had several calls from all over the world on this car) and find out more details.

A misrepresentation would be if I leave you in the believe that this is a factory LM and as you can see from the description I made this very clear that it is NOT!

 

besides that technically there are no real "factory" F40LMs in the first place since they were built by Michelotto and not in the factory. just technically

 

This is straight from my website:

1990 Ferrari F40LM

This car is unique in every aspect. It has a one-off built body, chassis etc. The car is very well known and we are proud to have been allowed to market this car by the owner. A car like this F40LM cannot be compared to others. It started its life as a street F40 and after an unfortunate incident was resurrected from the ashes in pain staking work according to original blue prints from Michelotto under LM configurations.
The car comes with an extensive spares package and with training from the owner on maintenance on this car. Expertly maintained by Dave Helms in CO you will find this car most unique and very fast. A true collector car. Over 1300 pictures of its birth and finished product.

Year: 1990
Color: rosso corsa
VIN: on request
Miles: -
Location: North Carolina
Price: $ on request

 

Martin, this is printed advertising. If the car is not an LM then don't say it is anywhere in the ad. The rest of the blurb is just fine, but the car is not an LM and your ad says it is. It has nothing to do with reading further. All you do further in the ad is contradict your opening statement. I have no beef with you or the ad, just simply pointing out what I see. Why would you even want to make the statement that this is one of the best known F40LM's? when it simply isn't. If you said this is one of the best known F40's that was rebuilt to LM specs, that would be closer to the truth.

 

I agree. There shouldn't be "LM" added to the F40 name anywhere in the listing.

 

Gentlemen,

At 38 I got an F40 stradale, I sold it.

At 40 I got an F40 LM GTE, I sold it, what a stupid act!

I am looking after an F40 now, but I want to drive it everywhere: no LM permitted on the road!

I was discussing with Auto Nauser this LM GTE replica, done by ex audi engineers, nice frame and definition, quite expansive but it should be more than funny to drive it on our highways in Europe (nota: I was trying to "register" in scotland my F40 LM GTE, could be possible!).

So I discovered that Roland is "obliged" and ready to sell his car, it's again a good opportunity to drive an LM replica (road legal), I got several details, including the full story of such car from Roland (plus a marvelous CD showing several run in US), thanks Roland for your details.

Now I am locking also on the possibility to "prepare" completely an F40 stradale, using "rebuilt" parts, it will cost me roughtly 350 000 euros to get the same specs as Roland, I am also locking after the possibility to rebuilt a V12 F40 such as simpson motorsport in UK, quite funny!

Finally, the problem with Roland's car is only the price and what you want to do with it:
- collection, go to Motorsport in Australia,
- riding it on the road, three possibilities, Roland, Autonauser or do it yourself!

Roland's car is not an LM, it's an F40 LM replica, very simple, and well done.

 

F40 Stradale?????

Only thing that had any relevance to F40 Stradale on Google was:

"There are two versions of the Challenge Stradale: one with F40-style sliding windows and racing seats, and one with leather seats and wind-down windows. Gentlemen, start your engines."

 

It still a salvaged titled car..as Alex put it so well, and fast F-40 but a replica of the LM.

 

Stradale is a general italian term for "street." When he says "F40 Stradale" he's referring to an F40 road car, as opposed to a GTE or LM, which are not street legal.