"Mothers" F40 for sale

After seeing some of those pictures it's pretty amazing how the car turned out. The car in person looked like an F40 to me, sounded great, the whole nine yards.

But if this car was virtually rebuilt from the ground-up, what's to prevent someone from building an "F40" without a damaged, burnt-up chassis to start with?

 

You are beating a dead horse (or in this case a formerly burnt horse. Nobody is syaing that it IS a LM. Can you all please read the ENTIRE description before posting?
It is not a Ferrari replica. It has a Ferrari frame, a Ferrari engine, a Ferrari transmission and Ferrari parts. Just as the 1959 TRs are "recreations" to specs from the original, this car is a "recreation" of the LM. When you see the TRs advertised you see them as 1959 TR and in the description it will follow "recreation" or "built on a 250GTE".

Dead Horse!

 

I could not agree with you more.Obvioulsy we are disclosing everything. It even says in the description that there are over 1300 pictures of this cars "birth". The story is well publizised.

Price on a one of car is very subjective. You ask me all these american muscle cars that today are trading for $150,000 are $149,800 overpriced. To me they are worth scrap value. Would I pay the extra $10,000 for a 355 Fiorano? No. Would I pay extra for a 512M? No. In my opinion a 360 should be half of what a 550 is worth. And those are cars that are off the mill a dime a dozend.

Howmuch is James's P4/5 worth? It has no price until you find a number where a buyer is buying and James is willing to part. That is the actual price for that car. You me and others may think that is too much, others may think that is too little but that actually IS the price for the car.

 

Martin, Every recreation I see says "recreation" immediately after the model name or number. IMO you should change the title. LM recreation isn't even correct since it's so far from looking anything like an LM.

 

Let's not mix words Martin... Are you saying David Castelhano lied?

 

No, read it again.

 

your opinion.

 

That's a fact.

 

Ladies and Gentlemen: another Expert!

 

I don't think Martin said that at all. No question David had a lot to do with this car. No question David does great work. Martin said Car is free from claims which I take to mean that David has moved on. No more. No less.

IMO the only issue is full disclosure of which IMO there is in this case.

Best

 

I have eyes Martin... You don't need to be an expert to know that it doesn't look anything like an LM. I am a photographer, I do notice little details and all those little details add up.

 

That was my mistake Jim, I was getting an old thread mixed up with this thread so as far as I know all the bill may have been paid since then.

 

Too much time to find pictures of all the custom one-offs like the breadvan etc. to prove my point that it does not count what little details you see but what is underneith. Details as to dimensions of the body, engine differnces between a F40 and an F40LM, chassis differences between the two. All the things that you cannot immediately see. If you get hung up on some interior instruments and their exact locations....so be it. I guess my 355Challenge is not a Ferrari anymore because we installed seperate on/off switches for the radiators as well as changed the original battery location and put a non-factory straight pipe exhaust on it, lightend the decklid, installed a lexan windshield, installed a aftermarket antenna for crew-driver communication, changed the position of the cut-off switch...schould I go on yapping about my replica 355Challenge-"recreation built to racing specs set my myself and other prior owners that saw it fit to change the car as it needed to be to be used for the purpose it was used for".

Of course you will come with something else. No idea what your beef is.

 

All bills have been paid for long time ago matter of fact. There are open issues as to what happened to some parts. Neither party is interested apparently in persuing this any further in the first place. David was disappointed that the car was pulled from his shop after the hours he poured into it. Roland was disappointed about the slow progress of work at David's shop and eventually pulled the car and had someone else finish it.
As I said earlier. On such a huge project the expectations of the mechanic and of the client often are not the same and these things happen. I have seen in on two other cars that were rebuilt from the ground up. The nature of the beast. Nothing else.

I don't understand why some people think they have to take sides in those issues. If there were open bills David had the opportunity to take legal actions to get his bills paid. In fact could have placed a lien on the car and re-po'd the car at one of the countless events the car made an appearance.
If Roland felt that there is undeniable cause that the F40 heads did not just disappear or were lost or destroyed somehow (there is a long story to that as well) then he could have filed suit as well.

Get it.....?

Two people disappointed with each other. That is all it is.

 

Jim,

My post was not meant to take any particular side. I think your resurrection of the car (or 'a' car, whatever, not important) is a great thing. I think whether history judges the car to be authentic, and how authentic, will be a matter between the future buyers, and future sellers - not guys on a Ferrari website calling shots from the couch.

I was just pointing out that the idea that something is not for sale, and will never be for sale, is naieve.

 

Damn dude, talk about cutting to the heart of the matter!

 

Asking a used car salesman (one from Florida at that!) to do something approaching honesty is like asking a dog not to eat a steak. It's not in their nature.

I find it hilarious that the explanation is "well, I do say it's an LM, but then I go on to say it's not..." and "if anyone is confused, I am sure to correct them. Why mislead in the first place? No confusing title needed, only "F40 (LM Replica)" what's so hard about that? Then you wouldn't need to contradict (ahem "explain") the deceptive title, nor would you have to "clarify" for buyers who mistook it for a real LM.

But, as I said in the first paragraph....

 

I used to sell cars. This comment is not necessary.

 

Its funny how everyone that thinks its worth the 600k or close to it....cant afford to purchase it, or will not purchase it.

The car is worth half that at best....i think when someone said 250...i still think its 249 too much...its a burnt car, a non matching f40 engine. You can buy f40s all day long for the real money of 500k.

no different imo if i take a camaro and add all the same parts (a la LM) with a f40 engine and build it again, only difference is the VIN....and i dont think thats worth the price of admission.

The fact that Roland isnt selling this car....makes it the lowest f40 priced in the market, not the most expensive.

 

Nicely modified F40 - I think it is pricey considering that it is a slavage title and but there are always folks interested in spending good money for a fun car (ie me, although this one is out of my price range). $600K is quite high but if you get a guy with lots of cash, not a purist, and probably owns the real thing and doesn't want to worry about trashing it, maybe you'll get some offers over the current market value of a original F40.

My personal experience is that you get 30-40 cents on the dollar invested on a project like this. I owned a Norwood 288 conversion, which had many 288 parts but it was still a 308 and did not commend even close to the $350K spent on the car... The Spillman 288 Evolution car is another example, amazing car with more than $500k invested, but hasn't sold for $100K.

I know that the issue is LM versus non LM but in essence it boils down to authenticity which commends the price, same as a 250 GTE being converted to a 250 GTO - still it's a cool car, pricey yes, mis-represented not really. Hope it finds a good home.

 

+1, Martin has always seemed like a nice chap.

 

+1 I noticed that as well. Side view mirrors, windows, headlights, front splitter, canards on side of front bumper, naca ducts missing, other naca ducts that shouldn't be there, fuel filler on right side, majority of interior, etc. The title of the ad is deceptive as well, but hey, they could've just said LM stands for Linder Modifica.

 

Arsonist!!!!

 

Back to the original thread - I'll pay $250K