"Mothers" F40 for sale

IMHO that's a fair bid.

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Basically you guys get hung up on the fact that it does not say in the title 10 paragraphs of what you think it should say. As such I am deceiving a customer (as any typical Florida used car dealer). The fact that you read on and it is right there makes no difference because you just want to be right that all dealers are making false claims.

 

So here is my suggestion then:
All of you experts please!

You write up a headline (title) for our advertising, I will change it to the one that makes the most sense.

 

That Le Mans thing just keeps causing trouble

 

Now that is funny. There are about half of the F40s out there that have non-matching engine numbers because the engines were swapped in a recall or blew up in the first year of ownership. So I guess those are really worth only $1000 each either.

Love it when people apply logic that does not appear to be logic in Maranello.

Then everybody has a right to his own opinion.

 

Martin, you and I have discussed this before. I have been with Roland when he represented the car as a true LM, not a recreation.

I was just reading a post on the LM GTE in this section and Roland made the following comment;

Listen to Tuby, he is right and Benny's 2nd LM was a GTE that was sold to NZ. Quiet a difference between a GTE and my LM even with all the mods done.
Roland
F40LM

You simply cannot refer to this car as a "LM". This car would have a much better reputation if it was never referred to as an LM.

I think you have to be understanding that this car has been represented as a true LM, and as such, you should be extremely clear in its representation as simply as a modified F40.

The truth on this car is better than the lie, it is worth more for what it is, not for what it never was....

I do not think that as a dealer with your EXCELLENT reputation that it does you any justice to use the term "LM" with this car in any way...

I do not know if I am an expert, but I think the right thing to do is remove the description of "F40LM".

You know I have alot of respect for you, I just don't think this is a winning battle...

Chris

 

calling this project car an "F40LM" is akin to calling a homebuilt aircraft a fighter jet.

Less than 20 LM's were made....to refer as such to this vehicle that doesn't even stay faithful to those original cars, is just blatant misrepresentation.

maybe some sucker who pays anything over 250k deserves it...

 

How much to turn this car back into a real, factory specced F-40?

 

It seems that you missed the simple point. The car that you wrote the article about in "Texas Driver" was advertised for sale as being Enzo's personal car. I would like to see you criticize the ads for that car in the same manner that you are going after the "Mothers F40". You need to maintain you journalistic intergity after all. Would the owner of the prototype be offended by your attacks? Someone had to provide the information for that ad. Who was it? It seems to me that that ad was much more worthy of your wrath.

 

I have no business interjecting into persons more experienced or expert than I, however; Martin's original links to Rolands comments as well as those who were personally involved [from 2003] clearly show the intent behind the resurection.

the above quote is very valid IMO [which I know is way down the list of credibility...not the quote, my credibility...].

What I see in the history of this F40 L'M' is a need to write up the complete history from the principals own responses/threads and be done with it....Roland making a "LM" comment, no matter how gentlemanly he is, seems to either be a 'one off' or perpetuate the myth this is a LM car, which it clearly is not. If the LM engineers want to stamp it such, then they would have done so.

I see nothing in Martin's comments or resonses that are not true with the exception to a LM suffix....that has to go: period..... why blow smoke...Roland might like that, but the history is so much more interesting than keeping those two letters dangling for what seems a clear lure to have a perpetual thread drawing even ME, a no body, into FC-yacking....

now that I've wasted enough govt. time reading and replying....I'm back to 'work'...yes, your tax dollars at work.

 

So John you came back into the area did you... Now the INFORMATION that was PROVIDED TO ME PERSONALLY

Now are you talking about the article I WROTE or are you refering to the RM'Auction group advertisement that was in the magazine. I will take responsibility for the article and I have already stated in this thread that I confirmed the story with 3 sources that Enzo was personally involved with the car. That being said I do not take any responsibility for any paid advertising that was placed in the magazine.

 

Chris:
between you and Writerguy (Otto), you are the only real experts here that I know actually have some factory knowledge and background and/or own a true F40.
I realize that I may do someone injustice here who may have chimed in and I am not refering to him/her with proper credit. Sorry beforehand.

As I said, if you or anybody else has some grand idea as to what to call the car, please let me know. I am all ears.
You know when I get a listing for a car I don't have much time to go through thinking who on FerrariChat could feel offended about the "LM" designation or on the other odd race car I have, the 288/308 GTO I am sure someone will get a fit about mentioning 288 when the wheelbase is not even lengthend.
My main concern when doing a writeup is to get as much information into a short description as possible. Especially on such a unique car.

As for this car being represented as an LM, no I was not aware of that. Again, the history on this car, where it was coming from and what was done to it is so publically known (Forza etc) that intentionally lying about it would make no sense.
As a car owner of some unique cars (my BMW Z1 and some of the other cars I drive daily) I have people asking me every street corner and traffic light "what is that..." and there rarely is the time nor brain to explain the entire car. Two days ago I had someone call my 360Challenge a "replica". A day later Roland's car is being called a replica.

 

again guys:

instead of giving your "its not a LM" tell me what you would call it in a headline for an Ad.

So far nobody has given any suggestions....not that easy, eh?

 

Sorry, but the comment stands. It's not directed personally at Martin, but Florida has quite lax laws for car sales. Combined with the year-'round climate and the number of folks with lots of $$ that go there, it turns the state into a breeding ground for unethical car dealers.

Did you think it was just coincidence many of the sleazeballs are in FL?

 

What about my suggestion of "F40 (LM Replica)" or "F40 (LM Homage)". In the watch biz, when a watch is supposed to be "close" (but not a copy) of a more expensive model, they call it an homage.

Seems fitting. Just make sure the letters "LM" are inside the parentheses - IMO it makes a difference.

 

Simple what it really is, F40 Bitsa LM Replica, though doesn't sound that great.

 

I have no idea what that is about but from what I can read here it appears that you wrote the correct article with correct information and someone else used 'some' of the information, made his own assumptions and wrote a for sale ad altering the original information and original article to make it into something that it was not.

Now you have someone that thinks, but really does not 'knowitall' and makes his own assumtions and you get blamed for it.

Its a free country

 

How about "F40 (LM Recreation)"...See, that was easy

Your description clearly states what the car is. The purpose of an ad title is to grab the readers attention and make him/her want to know more. Some will read it and say "Ah, that's not the real thing" and then there will be that one person (and that's all you need) to say "Cool! I got the money...he got the car". Who's to say that a 250 GTO is worth $10 million? The guy who pays for it, that's who. I would think the earliest Ferraris would be worth the most of all the cars...and that's what I would want. But, those with race histories get more money. If I had crazy money, I would rather buy the earliest Ferrari still on the road vs. a GTO...but that's just me. I think buyers dictate the market vs. the market dictating the buyers. Just like the housing market...I bought my house in FL for $227k and sold it 2 years later for $430k...I would never have bought my house for $430k...but someone did. Someone will pay crazy money for this LM recreation, but if not, the price will either drop, or seller will keep it until he gets the right price (for him and the buyer).

Ok...while I was slaving away at the keyboard, someone else wrote the same idea...I'M SLOW!!! But sounds like a good idea to me.

 

martin,

How about this as a true, honest headline. (After all, you did ask.)

For Sale: Rebuilt Ferrari F40 modified to F40LM style/specs.

Seems pretty straightforward, huh? Sorta says it all up front.

And then describe the history. It is a very interesting car, well put together and very neat looking, and would be a nice addition to someones collection as a "toy".

 

Good and bad in EVERY line of work. I just hate the generalizations...Martin will attest to this.

 

F40 LM Replica. (or 'F40 GTE Replica' and keep this thread cookin').

 

"Two days ago I had someone call my 360 Challenge a "replica

After I put a wing and a splitter on my former 360 Challenge, I referred to it either as a "tarted up 360 Challenge car" or a "360 Challenge with a wing and a splitter." It never occurred to me that anyone would think it was a replica of anything! I wasn't trying to replicate a 360GT, I was trying to make the thing handle better ....

 

That is a very interesting point.

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first off, where is the steering column with the VIN? What is gone is gone? How can anyone buy a ferrari without that most valuable part? The only issue I have with this "ad" is the use of "LM" with out the steering column vin it can barely be called an f40. This car's rebuilding, has so many errors that it would take several pages of print to list. etc etc.