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MONACO Thoughts: The Real Test For 2007

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  1. 62 250 GTO

    62 250 GTO F1 Veteran

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    Where's the offense? You make claims and the weight of history disproves them.

    Seriously DC for podium? If he gets on podium send me a paypal account number I've got $100 that says no to a podium for DC. Another $100 that he doesn't finish.
     
  2. ITR1203

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    +1. I think that's exactly what's happening here. I think my feeling is objective and unbias as I did not (and probably will not) participate in this debate and never meet anyone participated in this debate.
     
  3. SoftwareDrone

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    One of the best quotes I've heard in F1 was when someone asked Kimi what the most difficult corner at Monaco was, to which he replied, "There are no difficult corners at Monaco."
     
  4. RP

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    Read the earlier threads, you will see the offensive comments yourself. It appears some of the regulars agreed with me. Not sure why you can't see this for yourself. I am not talking about disagreements as to my opinions, I am talking about the name calling and other rude references.

    Please, show me where the weight of history disproves any claim I have made? Please be specific. I am curious.

    As for actual claims, I have claimed that Massa has so improved, that he will likely win the WDC. That remains to be seen, but so far, he has been performing better than his teammate. I have passed on information that Schumacher has spent time helping Massa, pretty much substantiated by all the European press along with folks in Marenello. I assumed most everyone knew this already, surprised at the reaction. As for race results, my claims are no different than yours. I am just predicting. Except I stated reasons why Coultard could be on podium. I forgot to mention he is pushing for a contract extension, that seems to motivate drivers to perform better. I still believe those reasons, but they are just educated guesses. I think the BMW will do well in Monaco. I think Massa will finish better than Kimi. I could be all wrong, but then so could everybody else. I try to avoid my personal preferences and prejudices. If it were up to me I would have Massa/Raikkonen 1-2 (in any order), Heidfeld 3rd, Trulli 4th.

    My point is I just do not think that personal attacks on a poster are appropriate. I am not interested in your money.
     
  5. 62 250 GTO

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    OK when someone says the word "crack" either in front of you or on the web, it's meant a a joke unless it's a close personal friend trying to get you off the junk. Either bum or drug, whatever the reference. It's always a joke.

    Maybe you can find a HA meeting to go to... Humorless Anonymous

    I didn't intend for your feeling to be hurt... {I can't believe I wrote that} but your picks were soo out of this world I had to comment. I'll make sure I read your name before replying to one of your posts.

    Happy surfing.

    P.S. David has been a joke for years, if he could drive faster he would.
     
  6. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

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    Alonso is the odds on favorite to win...unless Schumacher has trained Kimi or Massa to cheat by stopping in from of him during qualifying...Old Shumi was an expert of the fine art of cheating...but, can he teach it to others?
     
  7. Senna1994

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    Hahaha. Now that is funny, but seriously, I think he will take it or Lewis in this one.
     
  8. ross

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    hamilton, massa, coulthard

    thats my call for top 3, in that order
     
  9. maxorido

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    You honestly believe that Coulthard will beat: Kimi, Fernando, Nick, Robert and Jarno? I know you're thinking about his podium last year, but shall we not forget that not only did Michael have to start from the back, but both Kimi and Jarno were ahead of David, but then they retired? Not to mention the other cars? I want DC to do well, but as i've said a few times, he will not beat any of the previously mentioned drivers in a straight fight. Or is that it? Your thinking that the people that should beat David will retire? Either way, I can't wait to see the race.
     
  10. SRT Mike

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    Don't be one of the most arrogant people on this whole forum then cry "some people have no decorum and resort to personal attacks, and I am not arrogant". Man up and stick to your guns! You constantly bleat the same thing - that you have inside connections to F1 that others dont have, that the journos (the ones that agree with you) know way more about everything than any peon on this forum (therfore you also know way more, by association, apparently). Don't forget the numerous times you tell us about your 'inside connections' in F1 (just can't tell us who they may be), and how anyone else's opinion is the speculation of the ignorant, whereas yours is an enlightened one seasoned by inside info and the backing off the journalistic illuminati.

    IMO you need to get over yourself, and whenever I see all that arrogance posted on this forum, I'm gonna continue to verbally punch you in the head.

    You may be the nicest guy in real life, but on the forum you're a jerk.
     
  11. SRT Mike

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    I figured I'd dedicate the previous post to Ron.

    Regaring the race...

    It's ludicrous to think that "experience" will precipate a win at Monaco - gimme a break! Remember Schumi at the beginning of last year - he had more talent than the rest of the field combined and he was fighting just to be in the points! That's the difference the car makes. Coulthard is in a car that is not generally capable of putting him in the points, so to think that there is any level of experience one can have at Monaco that will lead to a win is just wishful thinking. Anyone who actually has raced competitively will tell you that whether you've had one race on a track or 10, you don't constantly build experience that makes you better as the years tick on. It just doesn't happen. You learn everything relevant about a track in the tens of laps at the most.

    I say the winner is gonna be amonst Raikkonnen, Alonso, and Hamilton. There's no way Trulli is going to place ahead of Alonso unless Alonso has a problem. And there's no way Coulthard is going to be within sniffing distance of the podium. He'll be lucky to be score a single point!
     
  12. maxorido

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    +1000
     
  13. ross

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    in a word. yes. hamilton has won every race he ran at monaco so he knows the course, and he has the equipment. massa has the fire and the car, but he wont get pole, and that means he wont win it. everyone else will run into a wall, each other, break down, etc....and coulthard will come from like 8th and just soldier on and get his first podium of the year....

    (of course i would rather it be a ferrari 1-2 but i dont think kimi has the discipline or the dedication or sufficient sympathy for his machinery)
     
  14. ferraridude615

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    Coulthard does have his best chance of podiuming at Monaco, though the chance isn't a very good one.

    Second, no doubt that Massa has been learning from Schumi as much as he can, but I associate the word protege with someone that will be great. As far as I'm concerned Massa will never be that great.

    I never attacked you either, and I'm sorry if you think I did.
     
  15. maxorido

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    What attack? Who here punched someone in the face and called their mother a ****? This is seriously getting blown out of proporitons.
     
  16. ferraridude615

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    I didn't bow down and kiss the feet of the almighty Felipe Massa, greatest Formula One driver to ever live. :D
     
  17. tifosi12

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    Don't worry, you will have plenty of opportunity to do so over the next 8 years as he will surpass his teacher in number of WDCs earned. No doubt.
     
  18. ferraridude615

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    Felipe Massa 10x WDC, I can imagine it now, I think TifosiRon would die of happiness :D
     
  19. maxorido

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    *thud* LOL!
     
  20. RP

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    Actually what I have said before is that Massa will likely win the WDC for 2007, but that Raikkonen will take the next two. I do think that Kimi has the better natural skill, but Phil has at the moment the most dedication and focus.
     
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    Thank you. Which are you, the pot or the kettle?
     
  22. ferraridude615

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    Yup, I do agree now that I look at the overall picture. Massa is better prepared for the 2007 season and will take the WDC, even though I would like Kimi to. Massa has the experience within the Scuderia, and as you said dedication and focus.
    Kimi's skill will take over next season and Phil (if he's still there) will get rocked, because we all know Kimi is the best driver in F1 when his car isn't broken, he isn't broken/drunk, and he stays awake.
     
  23. RP

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    Yes you are correct, the issue that is of most concern is Raikkonen's ultimate dedication to the sport. He has the skill, but is he really interested? Everything I read about him agrees that he is the type that could just walk away if he is bored.
     
  24. Senna1994

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    Unfortunately I have heard the same thing in the F1 Press from the European Rags, as well as team members at McLaren say he was the quickest driver they ever had, but didn't have the same type of dedication, as a Lauda, Prost, Senna or Hakkinen.

    On a side note, can we declare a truce and stop with the fighting on this Section for a while?
     
  25. speedy_sam

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    My thoughts:

    Cars:
    - The long wheelbase Ferrari (relative to the competition) might be a slight disadvantage on the tight and twisty Monaco track
    - BMW seems to be looking better and better every race - I predict that they will get a podium in the race
    - McLaren will be strong as ever
    - Red Bull may be improving but their Achilles heel - quick shift gearbox - will be a huge negative here - There are more shifts in monaco than anywhere else by a huge margin. They will be praying to finish a race here.

    Drivers:
    - This will be a Kimi vs Alonso battle for pole - I am anticipating their one-upmanship with repeated knocking the pole time of the other. In the race, Kimi's weakness this year of being out-muscled into the first corner could potentially rob him of a win. Massa made a point across to Alonso in the last race effectively saying "all that swooping about into Turn 1 is fine as long as you cross with adequate gap over me. If I am alongside you are not gonna get the corner." Maybe Alonso is going to be a bit more circumspect this time as he will lose valuable championship points to Hamilton.
    - Hamilton should be strong but his locking of front wheels towards the last third of the race as he has been doing for all the races might mean that he could understeer off into the walls if he isn't careful
    - Massa, I believe is not confident of himself at Monaco - he has crashed before and I think he will be taking it a bit easy to make sure he can finish wth decent points.
    - Trulli will qualify in the top 4 :)
    - Nick is certain for a podium and a win if something happens between Alonso and Raikonnen

    Anyway, I hope its a 1-2 result for Ferrari - its been too long since we had one.
     

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