Just the facts 430-Z-06

Same drivers on every drive ? Or did they switch cars ?

 

Where the brakes on the 430 carbon or steel?

 

Bob,

I concur about the abilities of the Z06. I drove Financialman's (Dan) Z06 and was very impressed with every aspect of the car. However can you confirm whether the your 430 has carbon ceramics and 6 speed? I drove a 430 6 speed manual and with carbon ceramics and I have to say that not only did it feel faster than the F1 I drove right after, the brakes also has even better feel than my Stradale. (of course my butt dyno could be broken)

 

I know several guys who track their C6 Z06s and the brakes are a known weak spot. You either baby them or replace them with Alcon or similar race package (this is confirmed on the Vette boards also). I have standard brakes on my 430, with street/track pads (Ferodo DS2500) and they are completely fade free and very effective. Bottom line, I have a problem with your conclusions, but I guess that's what makes the world go 'round. And most of the 4 sec/lap difference I'm betting could be traced to the driver...

Gary

 

F430's are awesome cars, but lets be realistic here. The Z06 is faster in every apect, period. And when you compare prices, the Z06 is one heck of a car.

 

while i'm not surprised the Zed lapped faster (power/weight ratio, grip), like others, please provide more details. ie, drivers, brakes, tires, etc...

 

gt3's are faster also. but F is not about performance

 

The Z06 is piece of s h i t e - having owned one, and having forced GM to buy
the POS back, I believe I've earned the right to say that anyone who places
a Z06 in the same sentence with any (F car, P car, L car, or any other exotic)
needs electroshock therapy.

Sorry Bob - I couldn't care if the Z06 went 0-100-0 in 5 seconds whilst playing
the star spangled banner. It's an ill-mannered, shabbily-assembled example of
why GM is going under.

The car is a POS supported by the same dealer network that services cobalts
and cavaliers - and thats the level of "service" you get. Truly a car for the
set who whacks off to numbers in car magazines.

 

It does interest me to see which cars do well on which courses such as the 'ring, etc. I also like the way Top Gear keeps a running tally on lap times from their test track (Go, Stig!).

I'm not interested when people use such information to denigrate vehicles which they do not own or may never drive. Nevermind the fact that only the tiniest fraction of car owners ever go drive on the track anyway (and it seems that quite a few of them are on this site).

I think the Z06 is a very capable car and I am happy for guys who have one even though I do not wish to own one.

However, I can hardly wait to get my F430.

Thanks for the info!

 

NOT that there's anything wrong with that.......

I'm surprised to hear the Z06 is such a bucket. I've had my H2 for about 5 years now and it's been awesome. My wife's YukonXL has also been equally great...I'd rather like to think GM has it fairly together as automobile manufacturers go, but then again, you did make them buy it back, so a few lemon's must have fallen from the apple tree, eh?

Nobody will argue the Z06 is dollar-per-value a strong package on the whole, but whenever I see one I still think to myself "Nice...but not even close", and I'm sure the Vette owner is trying to convince himself of a few things. Eh, who cares.

 

That made me laugh my ass off!!!

 

F1 goodies to change gears via a flick of the paddle probably adds 80kg over the stick shift , that's a lot of extra weight to pull around .

 

I hope you're being sarcastic.

 

I was thinking exactly the same thing. Not about performance??? WTF!!!

 

really, a few electro hydraulic actuators and sub electrical system weighs over 150lbs??? they use the exact same gearbox/clutch assembly don't they?

 

The F430 with carbon brakes is faster than the Z06 on some tracks.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/WorldSuperpowersTrack.pdf

 

It's about fuel economy,comfort and looking good when cruising ,I guess?

 

To me the question is which car is more fun to drive in the environment in which I will actually drive the car. My F430 has not arrived yet, but testers such as Car and Driver have driven both and like the F430 much better.

 

I had no idea Ferrari had a economical car out now? Doesn't the Corvette have cylinder cut at cruising speeds for better fuel economy? I believe the Vettes get somewhere around 25 mpgs. My friend has an M3, a Vette and a Merc ML, and of these the Vette is the most economical.

 

I was sarcastic......

 

Posting this hearsay in the 430 section was probably not meant to start a flame thread either!
(tongue firmly in cheek)
Well done, you've accomplished your goal.